The Russians have gone in

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Germany has wanted to supply Ukraine these Gepard anti-aircraft systems, but Switzerland denied export of the ammo to Ukraine. Germany has now contracted a Norwegian company to produce the shells. They will be tested next week, then hopefully operational in Ukraine soon after.

Saw this sidecar motorcycle unit, equipped with anti-armor missile launchers.

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A battalion of local militia fighting for Russia against Ukraine was effectively destroyed by "friendly fire".

In Donetsk region, the Russian military rained fire on the 2nd battalion of the 1st army corps of the "DPR people's militia,” fighting as part of the Russian army, in an apparent coordination failure.

"“DPR” battalion destroyed in Russian friendly fire" “DPR” battalion destroyed in Russian friendly fire

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Seems Russia has invested greatly in rockets and missiles.
These are the single most expensive means of lobbing a grenade across a battlefield man has ever devised.
A Russian offensive out scales a Ukrainian counter offensive by at least 10x. yet neither seem particularly effective.
Tu 95, Tu160 and Tu 22's are suspiciously absent in the operation while Su-30's are being sent into their roles with missiles. Some theorize that Russia blew its budget early in the invasion. I suspect these are an ace up the sleeve since their deployment has never been reported.

What we see here is what we'd have had without the B1B, B52, and various fighter bombers in any given conflict.
 
What we see here is what we'd have had without the B1B, B52, and various fighter bombers in any given conflict.

Actually, what we are seeing is what happens if you cannot suppress the enemies ground-to-air missile systems. I would hazard that both air forces are well aware of the capabilities of the SA-whatever the other guys have, especially as both countries have much the same stuff. Strikes me that both sides think the surface-to-air threat is just too great.
 
The Ruskies are burning through everything in their stockpile, using surface-to-ship missiles and S300 surface to-air missiles against ground targets.

Why does Russia use anti-ship missiles to attack land targets? - Defence View

Russia Now Firing S-300 Surface-To-Air Missiles At Land Targets In Ukraine: Official

This comes as no great surprise. After it was withdrawn from service, the British Royal Navy let slip that their Sea Slug SAM system had a secondary surface-to-surface mode. It's reasonable to think that its successor, Sea Dart, and the similar systems of many other countries also have this back-up mode.
 
Actually, what we are seeing is what happens if you cannot suppress the enemies ground-to-air missile systems. I would hazard that both air forces are well aware of the capabilities of the SA-whatever the other guys have, especially as both countries have much the same stuff. Strikes me that both sides think the surface-to-air threat is just too great.

it never bothered us going into Iraq twice.
Remember that time we raided Lybia with a pair of FB111's, flying through their Russian sourced air defenses and flew them to the bone yard after leaving Quadaffi's airspace?

What makes the SU 30 immune and why was it considered safe for the Mi 24's in the early days?
If they can get in with a Flanker, they can do it with a blackjack too
 
it never bothered us going into Iraq twice.
Remember that time we raided Lybia with a pair of FB111's, flying through their Russian sourced air defenses and flew them to the bone yard after leaving Quadaffi's airspace?

What makes the SU 30 immune and why was it considered safe for the Mi 24's in the early days?
If they can get in with a Flanker, they can do it with a blackjack too

There is a big difference between the air defenses of Libya back then and the modern stuff available to Russia and Ukraine. The Flanker has not proved immune, if you recall Ukrainian forces paraded a pilot and back-seater on Youtube. I would think a Flanker would be more survivable as it at least has a chance of out-turning an incoming missile, a Blackjack would not.

Then there is the prestige thing. If Ukraine brought down a Blackjack it would be seen like sinking a battleship in WWII. Russia is not going to chance such an event.
 
I would think a Flanker would be more survivable as it at least has a chance of out-turning an incoming missile, a Blackjack would not.

Then there is the prestige thing. If Ukraine brought down a Blackjack it would be seen like sinking a battleship in WWII. Russia is not going to chance such an event.

We have the wild weasels for that job. I imagine they could conjure up something similar based on our battle performance ... reasons not withstanding, those bombers are sitting unscathed, thus capable.

The prestige argument .... Russia DID lose a major naval asset. they just said it was "natural causes" ... kinda like how the earth swelled up to smack a blackjack like it did the flanker.
They are amusingly good at variations on "That didn't hurt"

They seem heavily biased toward missiles. As I keep saying, it is the most expensive means man has ever devised for lobbing a hand grenade across a battlefield.
You give a warhead thrust, you have a missile, want more range, you trade payload for fuel. want better guidance... trade more payload and or range.
There really isn't much in terms of payload capacity in these things.
Knowing this, we developed the JDAM to give dumb iron precision standoff ability.
With all it's years of service, Russia never bothered to try to do something similar? I'm not buying it
 
Neither Tu-160 (16 of these) nor Su-57 (12 of these) aircraft exist in numbers enough to be a major factor in Ukraine. Same-same T-14 Armata tanks. Russia's arms industry is a toothless tiger, which is why you see T-72s burning in Ukrainian fields. T-90s are pretty rare there as well, as they can't replace vital components.
 
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Re vital components, I read yesterday that components removed from household appliances are being found in Russian weapons.

heard some related things, like the explosive from their explosive reactive armor was replaced with sand after the good stuff was liquidated on the black market.

for me it's an elephant in the room.
we hear they have blown their battle budget, yet they are using the most costly munitions they could fire while fighting on used Cuisinart parts.
Whatever this is we are looking at, it's probably not what we are being told
 
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