My first Springfield M1a: any advice appreciated

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Just got a nib Springfield M1a. I’ve wanted a ‘battle rifle’ for a long time and I chose this one.

I’m still learning about this rifle. It seems well made, wood furniture, full length barrel. I did notice that the operating rod (charging handle?) rattles when the bolt is closed. Lots of play there, but it seems to catch the bolt securely when working the action. Is this rattle normal for this model?

Also: what should I know about in terms of what to watch for, what ammo to use and not use, and how to maintain? Any info is much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
 

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Congratulations on your rifle. I don’t own a commercial Springfield M1A so can’t comment on the op rod. I would recommend you get a copy of the M14 owners guide:
The NEW M14 Complete Owner's Guide - Scott Duff Historic Marital Arms Publications
I would also check out cleaning and maintainance products from Sadlak Industies:
AR15 M4 AR10 | SADLAK M1A / M14 and AR Accessories | United States
Try and find some American Eagle ammo special for M1A. You want to shoot ammo loaded to GI specs. Or follow any ammo recommendations from Springfield Armory.
Check You Tube for cleaning / maintainance videos
Springfield Armory has a good one. Brownells has a whole series. And check this fellows very good military rifle videos on You Tube:
norwich93cmp
 
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I will have to dig mine out of the safe it's a "Loaded Model" Ive only put maybe 40 rounds through it (haven't had it all that long) I shot Winchester White Box 7.62X51mm & American Eagle 7.62x51 both were around 150 grain bullet weight,If you purchased new the rifle should have came with a Military Tech Manual that should be a good guide for maintenance,I also purchased a cleaning rod guide from Midway USA that helps keep the cleaning rod centered & I always crank My rear sight to the lowest setting when storing to prevent it from being bumped & I added a G.I. Cleaning Rod in the butt trap,Pick up some grease as some maintenance items require grease,A MIA was on My wish list for many years & I finally picked one up.
 
Congratulations very nice rifle. A couple of things to keep in mind if you are a handloader Stay away from the slow burning powers such as 4350 4831 etc. Use a mid range burning rate powder such as IMR4895 or H 4895. Any Lake City USGI 308 ball will work well, some foreign rounds if you can find them like Radway green And the South African ball that was imported are good choices. I’ve been told federals 308 American Eagle is suitable for use in an M1a but I have never shot any. Since you have to clean the rifle from the muzzle get a good coated cleaning rod,I prefer a .22 caliber rod.Make yourself a bore guide From a 12 gauge shotgun shell and slide it over the flash hider after you knock out the primer and deburr the primer pocket. This will keep the rod centered in the muzzle. Lock the bolt back And put a stripper clip into the charging slot and let the bolt come forward and press against the stripper clip. When you run the cleaning rod all the way through the muzzle you won’t hit the bolt and shoot the rod across the room. Try to clean your rifle in a cradle upside down to keep cleaning solvents from running into the stock. I would also recommend Taking it out of the stock only occasionally especially if it’s a bedded gun. If you’re going to store your rifle for a period of time unlock the trigger guard and then release the hammer forward with the trigger guard unlatched this will relieve pressure on the stock and keep it from compressing more than it already has. The Springfield armory stocks could stand a coat or two of Tru Oil since the stocks are just coated with a stain if I recall correctly. If you search for the CMP there’s quite a few people there that can help you out with questions,maintenance and other things you may want to know.
 
As mentioned by somebody else make sure you keep your rifle lubed with a good gun grease. Make sure there is a dab of grease On the bolt lugs. Some people recommend cleaning the gas system every 500 rounds, we were always taught That when you lock the bolt back And tilted the rifle back-and-forth and the gas piston still moved freely the gas system was OK. Once the piston started to get sluggish it was time to disassemble and clean the gas system, A few drops of bore cleaner In the gas hole in the gas cylinder will keep carbon from building up. You have to remember This particular rifle was designed as a full automatic and could take a certain amount of wear and tear. It’s a pretty robust weapon.
 
Just got a nib Springfield M1a. I’ve wanted a ‘battle rifle’ for a long time and I chose this one.

I’m still learning about this rifle. It seems well made, wood furniture, full length barrel. I did notice that the operating rod (charging handle?) rattles when the bolt is closed. Lots of play there, but it seems to catch the bolt securely when working the action. Is this rattle normal for this model?

Also: what should I know about in terms of what to watch for, what ammo to use and not use, and how to maintain? Any info is much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Dave from PA has it nailed. I tried to find it online, don't remember where I got it, but there is a hard nylon breech block you can buy for cleaning; it drops into the breech and you release the bolt against it, but allows solvent and the cleaning rod to pass through it. There are also a couple of chamber brushes to look at; one has the threaded part on the front end, you drop your rod down the barrel and then screw it on. Springfield makes a cleaning kit that has one that has a ratchet on the end and you twist it from the breech. A simple swabbing of the bore and chamber is all this gun needs for many hundreds of rounds, and like Dave mentioned, get a good grease for the oprod channel and bolt rollers. Lubriplate 130-A is an excellent grease, it's what I use on my M1A and all my semiauto slide rails.

Like Dave said about ammo, if you load, use medium powders, and look for load data for either the M1A or ".308 service rifle". Stay away from light or heavy bullets that you might see for hunting ammo. The oprod is finicky, and using ammo out of the recommendations can bend it or break it. I don't shoot anything lighter than 147 grain, and 178 grain is the upper limit. Best performance is 168 grain.

I've had a SA M1A Loaded for ten years, and the more you shoot it, the better you'll like it. It's a bit heavy, but makes it a very stable bench gun. While there are 20 round magazines for it, they sometimes bump the table when shooting from a rest, I generally use 10 round mags at the range. I scoped minea couple of years after I bought it and shoot out to 800 yards with it; but it has legs for longer than that. I have another rifle I like for distances past that.

Get a good manual, and cleaning supplies, get to know it, and have fun with the finest battle rifle the US made (M1 users might argue with that).

And BTW, the rattle in the oprod with the bolt closed is normal. It disengages the bolt once it is in battery just a tiny bit, and it doesn't contact the gas piston until the gun cycles.

And one last thing; get a good sling for it and learn how to use it when shooting freehand. I recommend the leather 1907 pattern sling.
 
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Buy a few M14 or Garand extractors. I've had a few Springfields and their extractors aren't best quality. I currently have a Scout with an ARMS 18 mount and like it quite a bit.

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The stock is an M14 type. It's thinner all around than the Springfield and just feels all around better for me.

Checkmate magazines work well for me.
 
Lots of good information in the previous posts.

Totally true.

So, do yourself a favor, do NOT use commercial .308 ammunition. Stick to the 7.62 x 51 NATO from whatever company you prefer. GI type ball ammo only. If you hand load stick to those specs.

Personally, I like the fiberglass stocks better, but wood will be fine.
 
The M1A is my favorite battle rifle. I have 3 Springfields and an old Federal Ordnance. All are excellent rifles. My personal favorite is the 18" Scout Squad. The slightly shorter barrel makes the rifle much easier to handle.
Excellent advice so far. If buying mil-surp ammo, make sure the headstamp bears the NATO cross.
For 20 round magazines I recommend Check-Mate Industries. They are the current suppliers for the U.S. Military and have proven excellent for me.
Buy a good butt stock cleaning kit and put it in as a JIC measure But be careful as some of them are cheap junk. Avoid the Madsen junk. However, use a good coated cleaning rod and quality cleaning supplies for normal cleaning. I like the G.I. style ratcheting chamber brushes.
Some handy tools to have are:
A Bolt Roller Greaser
Gas Cylinder Wrench
A 3/8" combination wrench preferably with a 6 point box end.

These are Great Rifles! Enjoy! :D

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I tried to find it online, don't remember where I got it, but there is a hard nylon breech block you can buy for cleaning; it drops into the breech and you release the bolt against it, but allows solvent and the cleaning rod to pass through it. There are also a couple of chamber brushes to look at; one has the threaded part on the front end, you drop your rod down the barrel and then screw it on.

Here you go! The M1 Buddy is probably what you're referring to. It works very well. As noted elsewhere, it's wise to get a muzzled rod guide protect the crown. The flash hider does help somewhat, but a dedicated guide is better. He also has ratcheting chamber brushes and other goodies.

Home — The Original M1 Buddy
 
by far my favorite battle rifle.. have had 3.. all National match.. one was serial number 1000x... an early one.. friend wanted it more than I did... other 2 still in the safe... used to shoot weekly, and my match rifle loved 147 South African match ammo... so I got a lifetime supply decades ago... my favorite thing to do is "plink" while my friends are siting in there scoped bolt guns for antelope season... rocking the 16 inch steel gong at 300 yards next to there paper targets with my iron sights.. lol.. smile on my face makes it hurt after a while...
 

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Dave and others have mostly covered it.

I shot NM M14s in the early 1980s and my own Springfield M1A Supermatch for a decade or so after that and I still have a rack grade M1A jus because.

The M1A’s gas system is far more tolerant of slower burning powders than the M1 Garand and won’t bend the op rod as readily, but stay with powders in the IMR-4895, BL-C(2), Reloader 15, and IMR 4064 range.

BL-C(2) works very well with 150 gr FMJs as a more or less M80 Ball load. It’s easy and accurate metering and can be used to make a lot of ammo in not a lot of time on a progressive press like a Dillon 550B.

IMR-4064 has been a decades long go to load for the 168 gr SMK as a 600 yard match load and it’s a great choice with a 175 gr SMK as a 1000 yard match load.

Military M80 Ball and foreign equivalent ammunition is fine for use as well as M852 Match ammo (168 gr SMk), M118 Special Ball (Lake City produced 173 gr BTFMJ bullet), or M118LR (175 gr SMK) ammo all works fine and was designed for use in or to be compatible with the M14/M1A.

Accuracy wise, expect about 3-4 MOA with M80 ball ammo. With match ammo or hand loaded equivalent you should be able to get 2 MOA with a rack grade M1A and maybe 1.5 MOA with a load it likes. 1 MOA and sub MOA accuracy really requires a match barrel, the stock to be bedded and the gas system and barrel band be unitized to reduce the horizontal and vertical dispersion.

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Springfield Armory makes a scope mount that replaces the stripped clip guide and in that case it’s not a bad idea to get the plastic receiver insert to keep the bolt open while cleaning.

By necessity it cleans from the muzzle and you need to take care to not let the cleaning rod wear on the rifling at the muzzle. A bore guide is a very good idea. The flash hider limits the damage, but he rod can still wear on the muzzle.

I mill bore guides on my lathe that fit inside the flash hider to center the rod in bore and that approach works fine with a .22 caliber rod.

Similarly one of the cone shaped bore guides that slides on the cleaning rod works well as it centers the rod in the flash hider.

I am normally an advocate of using a .30 caliber cleaning rod in a .308 bore as it won’t flex as much and potentially contact the rifling and rub on it with excessive pressure.

However, the M1A, M1 Garand and BM-59 are exceptions as they clean from the muzzle and the bore guide cannot be in contact with the muzzle due to the flash hider. A flash hider that is a few thou off center will leave a .30 caliber rod rubbing one side of the rifling at the muzzle, while the same mis alignment with a .22 caliber rod is a non issue, and a cleaning rod made for a .270 or .284” bore is ideal.

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“If it’s shiny, put grease on it” is the general rule with the M1, M1A and BM-59. The roller and recess in the slide should be liberally greased as should be the top of the locking lug on the other side of the bolt. The top of the rear of the bolt should be greased, as well as the round arm on the hammer. The square tab on the back of the slide that fits in the slot in the receiver should be greased. There is often a contact point on the bottom of the barrel that wears a shiny spot. Grease it as well.

What kind of grease? It really doesn’t matter much. I have a couple 1 pound cans of military rifle grease left over from a half dozen cans I bought in the 1980s. Some folks swear mil spec is always best but I strongly suspect those people never served in the military, or if they did they don’t understand what mil spec means. In the case of mil spec rifle grease the only spec considered was how well it resisted being washed off. Any automotive grease will meet or exceed that WWII era specification, will probably have better heat resistance and will probably have better lubrication properties. So use whatever you want.

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As far as I know and can tell, Springfield Armory still uses a traditional pure tung oil dipped stock finish. It doesn’t do a great job of sealing the wood so it will benefit from a hand rubbed coat of pure tung oil every time you clean it.

All three of these rifles started out with that same flat looking dipped tung oil finish. The Garand stock is a GI stock, the M1A is a Springfield Armory produced rifle, and the BM-59 got a new production stock when it was rebuilt by James River Armory.

The Garand at the bottom acquired a satin finish with the grain filled through the process of GIs wiping it down whenever they had the chance as part of the cleaning process with a rag and some tung oil or linseed oil. Tung oil was and remains preferable as it creates a harder finish and doesn’t have the yellow tint of linseed oil.

Both the others have gotten a periodic rub down with pure tung oil and a piece of cheese cloth. The resulting finish after a half dozen or so rub downs is a pleasant semi gloss with a much better sealed grain. Eventually the grain will be fully filled as not all of the oil is wiped back off the low spots in the grain and the thin layer that is left builds up over time. Wiping with cheese cloth helps remove any dust or dirt down in the grain.

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This picture gives a better idea of the semi gloss that results:

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Tru oil will work and creates a very hard surface finish, but it’s also way too shiny. You’ll have to put on a half dozen coats and then knock down the shine with 0000 steel wool, being careful not to cut all the way through the finish as you do so. Periodic application of pure tung oil takes longer, but it produces a more correct finish in the long term.

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If your M1A is glass bedded remove it from the stock only when absolutely necessary. The way the rifle is designed the lugs in the stock drag on the bedding a bit as the receiver tilts in and out of the stock, even if the are rounded a bit as part of the preparation for bedding the receiver in the stock. If properly done the bedding should be steel or aluminum filled for durability, but it will wear a bit with each removal.

When I shot a lot of service rifle competition, I re-barrelled the rifle every 8,000-10,000 rounds, and also refreshed the bedding at that time, grinding out 1/4” of bedding in the high wear areas and re-bedding those area while scuffing and the skim bedding the rest.

If properly glass bedded, it should have had only a single coat of release agent and should fit very tight in the stock. It will require holding the rifle by the sight ears with the flash hider on a soft surface and then whacking the top of the butt stock several times with your hand to get it to come out of the stock.

I rebarrelled and rebedded my M1A Supermatch after I had switched to an AR-15 and sold it on consignment through a shop. A week or so after it sold the shop called me as the new owner was concerned the action would not come out of the stock.

I had removed it after bedding for clean up purposes so I knew it was fine and told the shop owner that. I also told him to tell the moron who bought it to leave it alone. Shooting about 5000 rounds per season, I only pulled it out of the stock once in the middle of the season and once at the end of the season for a thorough clean and lube. I told him to tell the owner not to mess with it until he had 2500 rounds through it, as every time he removes the receiver from the stock it will degrade the accuracy - and if that wasn’t ok, I’d buy it back from him.

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If the stock is not glass bedded, pull the receiver out of the stock and clean the rifle as much as you like (and apply pure tung oil to the inside of the stock with cheesecloth as well to clean the gunk and seal the wood).

A tilt test can be used to determine if the gas piston needs cleaned, but excessive cleaning isn’t going to hurt it. Just get a gas piston wrench for it and don’t over torque it. Just past finger tight is plenty.

A tilt test with the recoil spring removed and the action in the stock can also be done to ensure the slide isn’t rubbing on the stock somewhere. The slide and bolt should move back and forth easily as you move it muzzle up and muzzle down.
 
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Watch Brownells channel on Youtube, the four part M1A/M14 maintenance series. Very good points for lubing your rifle, and tricks for reassembly. Be patient with getting bolt assembly out, and very patient with getting it back in.
 
I currently have a Scout with an ARMS 18 mount and like it quite a bit.

I had the ARMS18 and it was a disaster as it would not clean ejection and the empty case would get jammed under the mount.

I was really bummed out because it was IMO the best option as it related to size, durability, weight, etc.

Have you experienced such malfunctions?
 
Not much to add as all have given sage and accurate advice.

The one thing I did to my M1A Loaded was change the flash hider to one with a bayonet lug and purchase the appropriate bayonet. Absolutely not needed but it tends to upset snowflakes...
 
To find out just how accurate your M1A can be.....try some M852 or Federal Gold Medal Match.

These can be replicated with 42 gr. IMR-4895-168 Sierra Match King bullets and most seem to use Federal Large Rifle primers.

If your rifle won't shoot these well it is not going to shoot....

Randy
 
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