FedEx and UPS in collusion with BATF?

There has been pressure put on Banks, Insurance Cos and shipping by a group of Senators. Whether some kind of extortion or Quid Pro Quo is yet to be determined.
Restrictions on legal commerce should be a criminal act. What can’t be passed as law in Congress should not be regulated by a few people of power or wealth.
CEO who decide to do such extra legal restrictions should be held liable by the stock holders. Playing politics cost money.
 
handejector said:
That is not what my 4473s say.
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ATF rule Aug 2022

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Businesses know customers want real time information on the whereabouts of their stuff. Unfortunately sometimes technology may not be our best friend. This update seems innocent enough but combined with the other 63 parts & ammo packages received recently would it put me on the naughty list for some alphabet tracking agency? If something is purchased electronically with a credit card and then tracked from shipper to receiver is it considered a circumstantial chain of custody?
 

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Rodan said:
ATF rule Aug 2022

NPRM Regulatory Impact Analysis
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You were correct!
I apparently failed to read a newsletter.


from the final ruling:
16. Amend § 478.129 by revising paragraphs (b), (d) and (e) to read as follows:


§ 478.129
Record retention.
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(b) Firearms Transaction Record. Licensees shall retain each Form 4473 until business or licensed activity is discontinued, either on paper, or in an electronic alternate method approved by the Director, at the business premises readily accessible for inspection under this part. Paper forms over 20 years of age may be stored at a separate warehouse, which shall be considered part of the business premises for this purpose and subject to inspection under this part. Forms 4473 shall be retained in the licensee's records as provided in § 478.124(b), provided that Forms 4473 with respect to which a sale, delivery, or transfer did not take place shall be separately retained in alphabetical (by name of transferee) or chronological (by date of transferee's certification) order.
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I guess I'll have to cancel the bonfire I had planned for a few years down the road. :D
 
Camster said:
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Too many times in the past, a gun would show up with no idea of who sent it, or who it was intended for. He then had a limbo gun that he couldn't log in, and had to wait for some customer to inquire if a gun came in for him.
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Happened to me a few times. Gun shipped via USPS flat rate with nothing in the box but a gun. No padding either.
I went to the shop after a few days of no contact.
My FFL was pretty calm though, as he waited on me to acquire the sellers ID.
 
handejector said:
You were correct!
I apparently failed to read a newsletter.
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Ignorance of the law not being an excuse had it's foundation when laws prohibited actions that are malum in se.

These days all of us are certainly ignorant of some malum prohibitum transgession, because keeping up with rules is more than a full time job! ;)
 
Having dealt with .gov when electronic data was involved, I doubt the ATF could decipher half of what they receive from outside their organization inside our lifetimes.
 
There is no "collusion". It's not the shippers...it's who is pressuring/threatening the shippers. The last thing they want is more regulations to follow or paperwork to generate. It's just like shipping alcohol or haz mats. It's the feds who are requiring the shipping companies with the threat of big fines for non compliance.
 
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