Coming to blue state near you

[hyena]

One of the provisions of Illinois HB5855 is it will prohibit even the possession of high capacity magazines (More than 10 rounds.) No grandfather provision. The ban on possession will take effect the moment the governor signs the bill.

I don't have that many. I'm pretty sure I know what I will do with mine. But I'm hoping there will be a court injunction while the law is litigated. It's very unlikely the county I live in will join Iroquois in refusing to enforce the law. Unfortunately I live in one of the few blue counties outside the Chicago area.

Illinois is beyond salvation, since we will always and forever be stuck with Chicago. That's a shame. Most of this state is a pretty good place.

 

[ladder13]

No one ran me out of NY, I couldn't wait to leave.

 

[GypsmJim]

I feel your pain Jim. I built my home on 6 acres in 2004. Built my hunting cabin in southern tier in 2008. I love them both. HOWEVER my boating facility is my 30' dock at my place in Naples Florida. Very soon my home and cabin will be elsewhere as well. NY is a beautiful state. From the Adirondacks to the Finger Lakes to Great Lakes shorelines. But the problem with NY is that it's in NY. 2-4 yrs and I'm out

In my working career I had several opportunities to move with the company. All would have provided a good promotion and substantially more monery Back then the move would not have cost me a dime.

We looked at some of the places and decided we didn't want to live "there".

We had often thought of being snowbirds. Even considered moving close to a lifelong friend in FL. Ian caused our friend to lose everything they own. No thanks. Snow ain't so bad after all.

Everyone does what they have to do. 45 years of traveling the world on business has shown me that there is no panacea. There's something wrong everywhere.

 

[biku324]

I am a fifth generation New Yorker. I feel everyone's pain. Nevertheless, I will not allow anyone to run me out because my custom built home, gorgeous mountain cabin and local boating facilities are too important to me. Someone has to stay behind to man the voting booths and at least try to maintain some semblance or order.

There's the precise key.

I live in deep blue NM, where the legislature has been blue since 1932 (not exaggerating). We have no permits to purchase or possess firearms, open carry is legal statewide with commonsense restrictions (liquor establishments, buses, trains, commercial aircraft) except where a very few municipalities have made it an infraction. We can carry concealed on our own property and in our cars on roadways with no permit; CCL is 'shall issue' if you pass the tests. We've been 'stand your ground' for SD criminal liability since statehood (1912), but in civil cases a jury can decide if you could have safely avoided the shooting.

We also have an all-volunteer legislature that is limited to 30 day and 60 day sessions in alternating years. Folks know the legislators, and will drive to Santa Fe to lobby as needed (while stopping into a good local retaurant for red or green chile).

If you give up and run away, if you shrug and complain rather than calling and participating, you can't have this. Citizens countrywide have the tools to self-govern, but most choose to be subjects. Not here.

 

[BC38]

WHY????? The ship is sinking, get off! The house is burning down, get out! Larry

I can think of two reasons

1) Because that sinking ship is connected to 49 others and can pull its neighbors down with it - or the burning house can catch it's neighbors on fire
2) Concede every state one at a time when it turns in a direction you don't like, and pretty soon there will be no where left to go.

 

[mauser9]

This spreading anti disease will affect most states eventually I am afraid. Worry about em grabbing other sporting guns like a 742 or 7400. Depends how they word these laws! Many paid good money for these other semi autos in the past!

 

[zzclancy]

Passing unconstitutional laws won't make people comply.

 

[tops]

Passing unconstitutional laws won't make people comply.

They will comply if the penalty is severe enough. Large fines and prison time will have the huddled masses obeying the law.
Making AR15s and 11 round magazines illegal is no different than in the 30s when they made machine guns illegal. Larry

 

[Bald1]

Those of you suggesting people stay and fight the good fight don't realize the state of decline we are in. It's not just gun laws. It's cost of living , poor schools, lack of support for law enforcement. The list goes on. I don't want to spend my life fighting a fight that can't be won. I want to spend my life living!!!!!!!

 

[Mr. K]

My communist state has everyone BEAT!! NewYohkistan, has law abiding citizens needing a urinalysis to conceal carry. My county of Nassau has. RINO running it and he is making it harder than Cuomo or Hochul ever has.

 

[PeteC]

This spreading anti disease will affect most states eventually I am afraid. Worry about em grabbing other sporting guns like a 742 or 7400. Depends how they word these laws! Many paid good money for these other semi autos in the past!

At least in the Midwest (where I live) the anti-gun lobby has gained a lot of influence in the last few years, starting with schools and ending with state legislatures.

Many people see the proposed Illinois law as a coming trend in the Midwest. In other words, a blueprint, not an exception. The direction seems to be to ban whatever there is the least opposition to, and worry about the rest later - same strategy as in some European countries, and lately in Canada.

I may be old and overly worried about regulation and registration leading to other things (disclaimer, my parents came to the US as a couple from a then Communist/Socialist country - hint, NOT NY state), but I see similar trends here. I see lawmakers afraid to speak up in favor of the 2nd amendment in any form, and small business owners afraid of defending their property in any way because of the likely negative publicity in the local media, never mind on a national stage.

This does not lead me to think that there will be meaningful opposition if enacted, no more than in Canada.

 

[Imissedagain]

I have lived in several crappy anti 2A states, NJ, MA, MD.

FL is awesome and no snow tires , ice scrapers or snow shovels.
Only down side is the humidity, the AC is still on and it's December but AC is alot cheaper than heating and with the warm water here no wetsuit needed if I go surfing!

Ps the surfs up today

Boca Raton South Beach Webcam

Plus ....... Snapper, Snook, Hogfish and beaches/boats full of bikinis.
Surf's up on a strong North West wind near Hillsboro Inlet.

 

[LVSteve]

I will just point out that NV was a red state when I moved here but it is now permanently blue. Residents of OR, WA, NM, AZ and CO will know what I am talking about. Don't think your red state is safe. Once the demographics shift just enough things begin to change rapidly.

NV is not really a red state, it just looks like it is because of Clark County. This is not just a NV problem. The Oregon initiative was voted down in nearly all counties except those housing Portland, and because that's where the the majority of the state live...same dross, different state.

This urban versus country divide is growing deeper with every election, IMHO. One should read "the Guardians" by John Christopher to see how that might work out.

 

[heeter3]

I also worked in Illinois and cook county til 2005.Moved to Az permanently in 2013.Its been nothing but great down here though the last few elections and influx of those from California is really something to watch.My son is still in Illinois and has 10 yrs to go til he can retire hopefully it will all work out both here in AZ and for him back home.

 

[johngalt]

At least in the Midwest (where I live) the anti-gun lobby has gained a lot of influence in the last few years, starting with schools and ending with state legislatures.

Many people see the proposed Illinois law as a coming trend in the Midwest. In other words, a blueprint, not an exception. The direction seems to be to ban whatever there is the least opposition to, and worry about the rest later - same strategy as in some European countries, and lately in Canada.

I may be old and overly worried about regulation and registration leading to other things (disclaimer, my parents came to the US as a couple from a then Communist/Socialist country - hint, NOT NY state), but I see similar trends here. I see lawmakers afraid to speak up in favor of the 2nd amendment in any form, and small business owners afraid of defending their property in any way because of the likely negative publicity in the local media, never mind on a national stage.

This does not lead me to think that there will be meaningful opposition if enacted, no more than in Canada.

We definitely don't want to get complacent, but I don't think Illinois is representative of the Midwest, and as noted, is primarily due to Chicago. When I lived there the downstate population could still counter cook county. Not anymore. MN is deep blue but is also pro gun (lots of hunters). No protection in the state constitution though. WI is similar but is more purple. I would have called Ohio more purple when I lived there, I think it has become more red. IN is very red, as is KY.

The midwest isn't really considered to be a booming/desirable area, so the Californification hasn't really happend. Instead, the prosperity is in the cities so that is where the population is shifting.

 

[BC38]

Those of you suggesting people stay and fight the good fight don't realize the state of decline we are in. It's not just gun laws. It's cost of living , poor schools, lack of support for law enforcement. The list goes on. I don't want to spend my life fighting a fight that can't be won. I want to spend my life living!!!!!!!

DUDE! I live in freaking WASHINGTON for God's sake! I "don't realize the state of decline"? Seriously? I've watched my adopted home state decline for nearly 40 flippin' years! Of course I realize the state of decline. But giving up and running away isn't going to reverse it. The only thing that is going to reverse that state of decline is to stand and fight against it.

As Sir Edmund Burke said, the only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing (or in this context, to run from the fight - which is basically the same thing).

Running away = retreat, and no battle was ever won by retreat.

 

[YeshuaIsa53]

If the M&P can use them, we can use them. Not gonna cut and run.

When we calculate outcomes, one has to ask if it is worth fighting their own people. Not going to put up with it.

Saddam Hussein paid the parents of little children to have them wear bom,b belts and kill Israelis. Where is he now? They are trying to do this using our tax dollars. I learned watching the second plane fly into the twin towers how effective gasoline can be. That is not a threat. Too many ways to kill people out there.

 

[mrchick]

Those of you suggesting people stay and fight the good fight don't realize the state of decline we are in. It's not just gun laws. It's cost of living , poor schools, lack of support for law enforcement. The list goes on. I don't want to spend my life fighting a fight that can't be won. I want to spend my life living!!!!!!!

That is why I left CA five years ago. It's a mess!

 

[zzclancy]

Unconstitutional gun laws?

They will comply if the penalty is severe enough. Large fines and prison time will have the huddled masses obeying the law.
Making AR15s and 11 round magazines illegal is no different than in the 30s when they made machine guns illegal. Larry

Prohibition worked, right?

They want more than the AR15s and standard capacity magazines.

Huddled masses is probably what the British were thinking until Lexington and Concord.

Registration, Confiscation, Genocide that's the Marxists history of the Twentieth Century. Democide; death by government.

The 2nd Amendment is the remedy for government tyranny.

Gun confiscation sounds more like the recipe for Civil War.

 

[Bald1]

DUDE! I live in freaking WASHINGTON for God's sake! I "don't realize the state of decline"? Seriously? I've watched my adopted home state decline for nearly 40 flippin' years! Of course I realize the state of decline. But giving up and running away isn't going to reverse it. The only thing that is going to reverse that state of decline is to stand and fight against it.

As Sir Edmund Burke said, the only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing (or in this context, to run from the fight - which is basically the same thing).

Running away = retreat, and no battle was ever won by retreat.

There's no fight to be had. Blue out numbers red over 2:1. Fight if you want. I'm going fishing!