YeshuaIsa53
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Best Weapon for Home Defense against Home Invasion?
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Layers of security…. Property fenced and a locking Gate..Motion activated Outdoor lights and Outside Cameras that work off your Wi-Fi and alerts your Phone. No Trespassing signs posted on your property….In Florida, trespassing on posted property is a misdemeanor … if the subject has a pocketknife, it makes it Armed Trespassing which is a Felony…Florida is also a Castle Doctrine State where your Home and curtiledge around it is covered…. No Duty to retreat.
Outswing steel insulated Entry Doors with Deadbolt locks… A trained Dog is non- lethal and is your best friend as an early warning system.
Two things that made people give up immediately is a K-9 Barking/ growling and the sound of Racking a round in a Shotgun. . "……Police, come out with your hands up or we're coming in with the Dog and you WILL get bit"…..In conducting countless searches, when using the above, they ALWAYS came out of hiding.
A Burglary is a crime of opportunity and usually they want to avoid confrontations, a Home Invasion is deliberate and violent and targeted… They usually know what they're after… Following you home from a gun show, coming back later with their Crew…..same when leaving a Bank, Store ,etc. ALWAYS be aware of your surroundings and those around You and who might be following You.
I'm old and Retired and lost my Dog in 2018, but I've got a Remington 870 Police Wingmaster…loaded with Federal low recoil OO Buck, LE13200 followed by Winchester Ranger low recoil slugs….7 plus 1….My bedside gun is a Sig P245 with 8 rd. X Grip Magazines with Ranger 230 Bonded ammo. Hope I never need any of it, but better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. No substitute for situational awareness.
Outswing steel insulated Entry Doors with Deadbolt locks… A trained Dog is non- lethal and is your best friend as an early warning system.
Two things that made people give up immediately is a K-9 Barking/ growling and the sound of Racking a round in a Shotgun. . "……Police, come out with your hands up or we're coming in with the Dog and you WILL get bit"…..In conducting countless searches, when using the above, they ALWAYS came out of hiding.
A Burglary is a crime of opportunity and usually they want to avoid confrontations, a Home Invasion is deliberate and violent and targeted… They usually know what they're after… Following you home from a gun show, coming back later with their Crew…..same when leaving a Bank, Store ,etc. ALWAYS be aware of your surroundings and those around You and who might be following You.
I'm old and Retired and lost my Dog in 2018, but I've got a Remington 870 Police Wingmaster…loaded with Federal low recoil OO Buck, LE13200 followed by Winchester Ranger low recoil slugs….7 plus 1….My bedside gun is a Sig P245 with 8 rd. X Grip Magazines with Ranger 230 Bonded ammo. Hope I never need any of it, but better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. No substitute for situational awareness.
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Within reach of my bed there are an 870 an AR 15 and a Glock G20 10 mm. Plus a couple lights and a cell phone. Someone in the house, I will grab the 870 and a light flip the mattress over my wife she dials 911 I will hold the position at the door. My house is set up where you have to come down the hallway to the bedrooms you are back lit by night lights and outside lights with the bedroom end dark . Unless they come towards the bedrooms I will wait for the police. 6 rounds of double ought is plenty.
An interesting thought. Years of training with the MP-5 and M-4 in the close range environment, I actually feel very well armed with a third generation 9MM with a 20 round mag. Accuracy is comparable and you have more mobility. Especially inside a home.
Still waiting for a recent case where the perp was wounded and sued the homeowner . . .
Now, for the layered defense. We live in a rural area with State Police coverage only. Steel exterior doors with deadbolts. Motion sensor lights and a security system. Two dogs that bark at the drop of a pin. 12 GA shotgun with 00 buck with light. Several high capacity handguns.
Should be sufficient for most situations.
Should be sufficient for most situations.
I had my house built in 2004 in a small no outlet subdivision. There hasn't been a break in here since I've been here.
Just to be safe I have 5 security cameras, and I drilled holes on both sides of all all my windows that I keep 1/4" eye bolts in. Window locks are a joke.
All my guns are in my safes, except a 44 Bulldog in my desk drawer, a AR leaning against a chest in my bedroom, a Winchester 1200 leaning against my headboard, and my P365 on the nightstand.
I live alone.
Just to be safe I have 5 security cameras, and I drilled holes on both sides of all all my windows that I keep 1/4" eye bolts in. Window locks are a joke.
All my guns are in my safes, except a 44 Bulldog in my desk drawer, a AR leaning against a chest in my bedroom, a Winchester 1200 leaning against my headboard, and my P365 on the nightstand.
I live alone.
I have one on order with my LGS
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I live in a relatively safe, small town but just a short drive to Houston. Every once in a while the Yahoos from that area decide our little burg would be a good place to cause mayhem. For those guys I have pistols and a couple shotguns strategically placed in the downstairs area. All can be reached within seconds and cannot be seen by anyone not familiar with my house. Upstairs there is a 9mm in my bedside drawer, an LCR in 22 mag on the wife's side and a mini 14 placed on the path outta the room.
All kinds of ideas on firearms and dogs already posted. I'll add this from handling home invasions….
People get Burglars and Home Invaders confused all the time. They are very different animals. Most burglaries occur when you are not at home, and usually in the daytime. Burglars don't want to meet you; they just want to steal your stuff.
Home invaders are coming for you. They know you are there, and they want you to show them where all your stuff is and open your safe. They usually know something about you and what you have in the house. They are coming through the door fast and they are going to kill any aggressive dogs as they do. They will expect you to be armed and will be prepared to deal with you also. They may or may not kill you as they come in if they see a gun. If they know multiple people are in the house, that's all they need. Brutalizing a family member will get compliance from the others.
The best hope you have against home invaders is time. Notification by your dog or on your phone from a security camera may be all the warning you get.
People get Burglars and Home Invaders confused all the time. They are very different animals. Most burglaries occur when you are not at home, and usually in the daytime. Burglars don't want to meet you; they just want to steal your stuff.
Home invaders are coming for you. They know you are there, and they want you to show them where all your stuff is and open your safe. They usually know something about you and what you have in the house. They are coming through the door fast and they are going to kill any aggressive dogs as they do. They will expect you to be armed and will be prepared to deal with you also. They may or may not kill you as they come in if they see a gun. If they know multiple people are in the house, that's all they need. Brutalizing a family member will get compliance from the others.
The best hope you have against home invaders is time. Notification by your dog or on your phone from a security camera may be all the warning you get.
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Somewhere on this site and several years ago, a member pointed out that the vast majority of home invasions involved folks in the drug culture. He then provided some excellent advice for those who might be in that situation on how to avoid problems inherent in that line of work. Humorous, informative and instructive to those of us who aren't. Members of certain ethnic groups believed unlikely to trust banks might also be at risk.
In short, I expect most of us are unlikely to have the problem. OTOH, there are those who either show up at the wrong houses or who might have different notions of "rich" than the rest of us. That might be a actual problem. Someone in the nearest actual city had that problem several years ago.
Pay great attention to Dave686's post above. Layers of security, training and dedication to not becoming complacent are more important than the actual hardware. PLEASE don't stash guns all over the house, you're just arming anyone who actually does get in.
Added edit: when folks talk about safe places, I recall the armed robbery attempt in broad daylight right next to the Federal Courthouse.
In short, I expect most of us are unlikely to have the problem. OTOH, there are those who either show up at the wrong houses or who might have different notions of "rich" than the rest of us. That might be a actual problem. Someone in the nearest actual city had that problem several years ago.
Pay great attention to Dave686's post above. Layers of security, training and dedication to not becoming complacent are more important than the actual hardware. PLEASE don't stash guns all over the house, you're just arming anyone who actually does get in.
Added edit: when folks talk about safe places, I recall the armed robbery attempt in broad daylight right next to the Federal Courthouse.
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Main reason I moved up here. Can leave the house unlocked, the car also. Everyone owns guns and everyone knows it. Plus there are two small gun clubs here with over 2K members between them.
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Well, that first link is not a good example because the shooting was at best a bad idea and the homeowner was convicted of some form of reckless conduct for the shooting. The second is open to debate because of the the ability of the plaintiff to make questionable claims.
I would not use either of them as lessons about shooting home burglars when appropriate. However, I think they reinforce the positions that I and others have taken - layers and make it hard and unattractive to bother you.
I would not use either of them as lessons about shooting home burglars when appropriate. However, I think they reinforce the positions that I and others have taken - layers and make it hard and unattractive to bother you.
Smoke, thank you for posting.
For all you non-believers, from a retired and recovering lawyer, note the following on just these two examples;
1) these example are from cases posted by a law firm seeking business from plaintiffs
2) Homeowners usually have insurance policies ,often with umbrella coverages: the attorneys are hoping for a settlement from the insurance company
3). People who break into other peoples houses are likely to come from families who will follow the scent of easy money. A ten thousand dollar settlement to get them to go away means 5 or 6 grand in the "palintiff,s pocket and the rest for their lawyer, which your insurance company may consider a prudent decision if there is ANYTHING iffy about the circumstance.
4) When the Judge dismisses a motion for summary judgment and lets the case go forward the insurance company is probably going to settle. They are driven by profit and loss decisions, not the "rightness" of your case.
For all you non-believers, from a retired and recovering lawyer, note the following on just these two examples;
1) these example are from cases posted by a law firm seeking business from plaintiffs
2) Homeowners usually have insurance policies ,often with umbrella coverages: the attorneys are hoping for a settlement from the insurance company
3). People who break into other peoples houses are likely to come from families who will follow the scent of easy money. A ten thousand dollar settlement to get them to go away means 5 or 6 grand in the "palintiff,s pocket and the rest for their lawyer, which your insurance company may consider a prudent decision if there is ANYTHING iffy about the circumstance.
4) When the Judge dismisses a motion for summary judgment and lets the case go forward the insurance company is probably going to settle. They are driven by profit and loss decisions, not the "rightness" of your case.
This subject's a well worn path, here and elsewhere, despite stats showing most burglaries/home invasions happen in the daytime. Mr. Bad Guy knows that's when the house will more likely to be unoccupied. People are working or out and about. At night, everyone's home, and as documented above, ready to rock & roll.
Inusuit
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My EDC Glock 19 moves around the house with me during the day and is on the nightstand next to a Mossberg 590 when I'm in bed. A Ruger Mini 14 is a few steps away. I'm in the country with a monitored driveway 300 yards long so I know if someone is approaching.
you are spot on..I've got a real smart shep-pitt mix...she gives alerts when neighbors, etc get out of cars or are nearby...and alerts with anything odd...from what I've read, dogs react to actions and odd behavior, incidents,etc....
..also, I have a security system, inside and outside doors locked, and door clubs, etc
..standard burglars don't like dogs
mikeruns
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Probably a carbine with a high capacity magazine…maybe in 9mm with frangibles to lesson over penetration of walls…no neighbors? AR-15 of good quality and as many bullets as you can carry. Multiples aggressors? Everybody gets an *** full of 5.56 until they fall or exit.
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A caveat on bedside guns
I have had reservations about the idea of "nightstand guns" ever since a student in the classes we used to teach told those present about the time he woke up after putting 2 rounds of .357 into the ceiling while having a nightmare!!
I kid you not. I knew if we taught the class long enough a student would admit to something like this happening.
I also remember long ago stumbling into my Dad's house at half past 3 or 4am in a state of inebriation - making all kinds of racket. Thank God he kept no guns loaded. Of course that was nigh on to 60 years ago in another culture - no one worried much about break ins where we lived.
In our classes we suggested students keep their loaded handguns in a place that required them to put their feet on the floor and take a few steps before acquiring the firearm. Many folks, particularly those with a few years on them, are not fully alert when startled out of a deep sleep.
This of course made it MANDATORY that the alarm system and physical security of the home be enough to give one some time.
On a lighter note, in the way back I had a German Shepherd/St. Bernard mix dog (about 120 lbs). The noises he made at the door scared many a person so badly they simply would not come in the house no matter how much we coaxed them. And of course, he was absolutely friendly with everyone ONCE we vouched for them and let them in.
Now we have the notorious Abby, guardian of the mail slot and arch enemy of Mr. Mailman. As an alarm system she's top notch.
But again, I have reservations about a loaded weapon next to my head. So for us, two revolvers and speed loaders rest in a lock box to which only I and the wife know the combination (a quite simple and speedy one) which I have used thousands of times on a daily basis.
I don't want to blow any holes in the ceiling during my next nightmare!!
I have had reservations about the idea of "nightstand guns" ever since a student in the classes we used to teach told those present about the time he woke up after putting 2 rounds of .357 into the ceiling while having a nightmare!!
I kid you not. I knew if we taught the class long enough a student would admit to something like this happening.
I also remember long ago stumbling into my Dad's house at half past 3 or 4am in a state of inebriation - making all kinds of racket. Thank God he kept no guns loaded. Of course that was nigh on to 60 years ago in another culture - no one worried much about break ins where we lived.
In our classes we suggested students keep their loaded handguns in a place that required them to put their feet on the floor and take a few steps before acquiring the firearm. Many folks, particularly those with a few years on them, are not fully alert when startled out of a deep sleep.
This of course made it MANDATORY that the alarm system and physical security of the home be enough to give one some time.
On a lighter note, in the way back I had a German Shepherd/St. Bernard mix dog (about 120 lbs). The noises he made at the door scared many a person so badly they simply would not come in the house no matter how much we coaxed them. And of course, he was absolutely friendly with everyone ONCE we vouched for them and let them in.
Now we have the notorious Abby, guardian of the mail slot and arch enemy of Mr. Mailman. As an alarm system she's top notch.
But again, I have reservations about a loaded weapon next to my head. So for us, two revolvers and speed loaders rest in a lock box to which only I and the wife know the combination (a quite simple and speedy one) which I have used thousands of times on a daily basis.
I don't want to blow any holes in the ceiling during my next nightmare!!
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