Electric Vehicle Stupidity - Update Post 288

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DUDE! We can't "replicate" rare earth metals - or anything else for that matter. Not by 3D printing or by any other means using our current technology. WTH are you talking about?!?

"Replication" - i.e. CREATING something from nothing, that's a Star Trek sci-fi fantasy!

We may be able to PROCESS rare earth metals into a usable form (as in manufacturing a battery) using a 3D printing process - maybe.

BUT you can't CREATE rare earth metals that way, or any other way, using current technology. Rare earth metals like lithium and cobalt have to be MINED (dug) out of the earth. They can't be synthesized out of thin air by some kind of "replicator".

What kind of fantasy world do you live in?


It's called 3D Polymer Bonding, to replicate Rare Earth Metals…


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McLaren P1 and Audi R28 were better implementations.
The Prius just shows us how much Toyota want's it to just go away.
Its not a universal solution. The strong point of Hybrid is it's ability to deal with variable speed driving environments, be it racing where you slow in the corners and hammer it in the straights, or urban stop and go.
Rural and freeway environments where speeds are maintained, it comes up as a loss as some energy is dissipated as heat in the conversion from the engines kinetic energy to electricity.
Standard guess has been an 11% conversion loss.
True, BUT when you throw technologies like regenerative braking into the mix, you can reduce those inefficiencies.

It still isn't a loss-less system, there's no free lunch, but you can recapture a fair amount of energy that way.
 
It's called 3D Polymer Bonding, to replicate Rare Earth Metals…


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OK, please provide a link to more information about this groundbreaking "replication" technology. Instead of just throwing out a semi-plausible-sounding word-salad.

FWIW, when I do a Google search using your phrase "3D Polymer Bonding, to replicate Rare Earth Metals" all I'm coming up with are articles about new ways to PROCESS rare earth metals. NOT anything about CREATING rare earth metals from something else, or "replicating" them from thin air.

PROCESSING rare earth metals, no matter how sophisticated the process may be, still requires that you have the rare earth metals to begin with.

It doesn't create them from thin air. One of us is missing something here, and I don't think it's me.
 
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OK, please provide a link to more information about this groundbreaking "replication" technology. Instead of just throwing out a semi-plausible-sounding word-salad.

FWIW, when I do a Google search using your phrase "3D Polymer Bonding, to replicate Rare Earth Metals" all I'm coming up with are articles about new ways to PROCESS rare earth metals. NOT anything about CREATING rare earth metals from something else, or "replicating" them from thin air.

PROCESSING rare earth metals, no matter how sophisticated the process may be, still requires that you have the rare earth metals to begin with.

It doesn't create them from thin air. One of us is missing something here, and I don't think it's me.

yep .... Someone is missing the annoying little thing in both physics and chemistry called "Conservation of Energy / Matter"
The only field that might be able to produce something from something else is nuclear science where we have to wait thousands of years for the half life to render the desired substance safe for use.
That's as close as we are going to get here.
 
True, BUT when you throw technologies like regenerative braking into the mix, you can reduce those inefficiencies.

It still isn't a loss-less system, there's no free lunch, but you can recapture a fair amount of energy that way.

Regenerative braking cannot help you on a country road where you are maintaining a speed while traveling mostly non stop. More so of interstate driving. Here, they operate at a loss over straight ICE. Audi dominated LeMans with the R28 where regenerative braking could make a major contribution to the cause.
This is to say, I see value in the general concept though most of it's more pedestrian implementations are lacking. Still, it is not a universal solution even in the best of iterations
 
The Electric Vehicle mandate for the US Military doesn't go into effect until 2027, and the rest of the country until 2037! It doesn't mean that all combustion engine vehicles will be outlawed by then, only that combustion engined vehicles will be being phased out of service by their respective dates! If you can still find 100 octane gasoline for your 1967 Firebird or 1985+ ear car after 2037, you'll be the exception and not the rule…

I suspect that the majority of this ridiculous agenda will do a 180 in January of 2025.

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Regenerative braking cannot help you on a country road where you are maintaining a speed while traveling mostly non stop. More so of interstate driving. Here, they operate at a loss over straight ICE. Audi dominated LeMans with the R28 where regenerative braking could make a major contribution to the cause.
This is to say, I see value in the general concept though most of it's more pedestrian implementations are lacking. Still, it is not a universal solution even in the best of iterations
Agreed. Like I said, it increases efficiency but still has losses, there is no free lunch. Obviously regenerative braking provides its biggest benefit in areas where you're braking more. Of course that is when it is needed the most too.
Like any other vehicle, EV's are at their most efficient and therefore get their maximum range in the steady-speed conditions of highway driving.
They're never going to achieve the kind of range of gas thought. It just isn't physically possible to recharge a battery that big as fast as you can pump 20 gallons of gas.
 
Sigh. We have plenty ourselves for such ancillary needs.
LOL, we have plenty for our ALL needs right right now - and for the next couple of hundred years - if we would just go back to drilling for it and producing it.
Less than 3 years ago the US was a NET EXPORTER of oil. We were meeting our own needs and had some left over to sell on the open market. We could do that again.
 
Agreed. Like I said, it increases efficiency but still has losses, there is no free lunch. Obviously regenerative braking provides its biggest benefit in areas where you're braking more. Of course that is when it is needed the most too.
Like any other vehicle, EV's are at their most efficient and therefore get their maximum range in the steady-speed conditions of highway driving.
They're never going to achieve the kind of range of gas thought. It just isn't physically possible to recharge a battery that big as fast as you can pump 20 gallons of gas.

very true for now.
The solid state types being slow walked to production are part of a solution that would make it competitive with gas.
While they can be fully charged from stone flat dead in 15 minutes or less, finding a power source to actually do that will be difficult. If I had to bet on it. it's ultimate form would look very much like the current state of electric with a few far flung stations capable of the true fast charge. but ... it would be a safer, and more robust car.
 
School Bus too!

First, let me say I have a 2016 Chevy Volt and a 2020 Ford Fusion hybrid. Love them both. But the municipal idiots now think electric school busses are a great idea.

But, the kids will not be warm in the winter. And the bus can't do mid-day excursions or long sports team "away" runs. Some here are 230 miles round trip!

The schools will need diesel backups.
 
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California is where my daughter and SIL are, near Monterrey. They've used their 2017 cheapo Nissa Leaf daily since 2018 for a 25 mile daily commute with no problems of any kind. None. Other than people shaking their heads at how ugly it is, of course. Their long distance car is a hybrid.

A church member friend from El Paso has the Ford pickup EV and loves it for around town. Of the 6 or 7 EV owners I know, all are satisfied. But what do they know, I guess.
25-mile daily commute? When I was a few decades younger, I could do that on a bicycle. No gas at all, unless I ate beans for breakfast.
 
That's why in 2021, the US decided to 3D replicate rare earth metals as a means of weaning ourselves off of those dependent supply countries that don't meet our strategic interests

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Re-read that. If you really mean what you said, you should apologize for posting and bow out of this discussion.

Did you mean something rational?
 
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