Electric Vehicle Stupidity - Update Post 288

[ameridaddy]

I'm expecting that at some point in the future all these free charging stations are going to start charging for the service. Wonder what that's going to cost?

"Free" charging stations are not free; I guarandamtee you someone paid for the production, installation and maintenance of them, and someone is paying the utility which supplies the power. And when the government (we taxpayers) subsidies stop, there will be a credit card slot on them. TANSTAAFL

 

[pharmer]

......... EVs are here, they work for lots of people, and they continue to sell in increasing numbers.

Yes they will. Half the American population loves "dependence" as it relieves them of decision making and industry. The other half are "independent," think for themselves, make tough decisions and live with the "consequences" of their success or lack thereof. The sort that gets in their F 250 with a V 10 and points it to parts unknown, just because they can. Joe

 

[cmj8591]

I think to make EVs realistic they are going to have to have battery exchanges, like we now have gas stations, where you pull in your vehicle, they pull the battery out and put a fully charged one in. And you drive on. There would be lots of little challenges with eliminating old batteries and passing off defective ones, but certainly not insurmountable. It would be something like propane gas exchanges.

Think about that for a minuet. One of the biggest problems with EV's is the availability of lithium for batteries. There is not enough lithium right now to replace 1/4 of the IC vehicles in use. Now you want to have a system that will require MULTIPLE batteries for each vehicle? Not to mention that a car battery weighs upwards of 1000 pounds. It's not quite like changing the batteries in a flash light. Most of the lithium ore used for EV's comes from Chile or Australia where it is strip mined. It is then shipped to China where it is smelted and processed into a battery. It goes to China because the process is very dirty and if they tried to do it in the free world, the expense would be so great that no one would be able to afford an EV. I quoted your text because you're not the first person I've heard that idea from.

 

[biku324]

Yes they will. Half the American population loves "dependence" as it relieves them of decision making and industry. The other half are "independent," think for themselves, make tough decisions and live with the "consequences" of their success or lack thereof. The sort that gets in their F 250 with a V 10 and points it to parts unknown, just because they can. Joe

I just don't believe any of that. The folks I know who own these like the quietness, the lack of having to use expensive gas stations, and the complete absence of having to have EVs serviced. What works will sell.

 

[LVSteve]

Why can't a 2,000 lb car go 500 miles on a gal. of fuel? If rubber tires have 5 times the "resistance" it would still be 100 miles per gal. Just wondering. Larry

A 2000 lb car with a diesel engine running at the same speed as most trains could probably get close to 100mpg if all the roads were as level as the railroads.

However, tell most Americans that they are in a 2000 lb car and they will squeal "I'm not safe" like little girls. Tell them that the speed will never exceed 48 mph and they will be grumpy old men, too.

Physics is a cruel mistress.

 

[dockmurgw]

Another elephant in the room are multi deck parking garages...not designed for a load of extremely heavy EV's. And when will the first car ferry go bottom up for the same reason?

 

[cmj8591]

I just don't believe any of that. The folks I know who own these like the quietness, the lack of having to use expensive gas stations, and the complete absence of having to have EVa serviced. What works will sell.

I think you're missing the point. No one cares if you want to drive an EV, IC, bicycle or walk to work. The problem is that the people who are advocating EV's want me to drive one and want to take away my ability to make my own decision. Lets keep this within the context of a gun forum. The people who are making the laws that decide how many bullets I can have in my gun are the same ones who are making the laws that will prevent me from having a IC motor on my weed wacker. In the case of the magazine capacity issue, they have decided, beyond logic and fact, that it will have an effect on crime. In the case of EV's, they have prostituted the laws of physics and mathematics to make their argument work and are using it to push that agenda and control the legislative narrative. Add in the ability to siphon money off of it and we all become their stooges.

 

[biku324]

It's pretty simple - if you don't want an EV, don't buy one.

 

[Skeet 028]

So the powers that be say I must use aEV...at 10 below windy with a vehicle whose power will not hold up for 200 miles under those conditions... Heat? do I have heat? Snow? Will it handle in snow? Summer heat in Aridzona?? Hard on batteries too. AC?...everything you add costs just lime with gasoline vehicles. Are EVs as reliable as FF powered? I really don't see it right now...and without better batteries I don't see it any time soon...maybe 30 years. Mandatory EVs is way out of reach right now... Have the relible batteries... Have the electric grid in place to handle it all...then.... start considering widespread EV use...and don't forget us...the people who live in flyover extreme weather country. Etc

 

[Golddollar]

I reckon stick with my F150 for as long as I can....batteries are for flashlights...

My 2008 Mercury Grand Marquis is looking better and better.

 

[Old 44 Guy]

Another case of the blind leading the blind.

 

[Secundius]

A diesel-electric locomotive (GE AC4400CW) can move 1 ton of freight 500 miles per gallon of fuel. Rubber tired vehicles have much more "resistance" but the principle is on the right track to a viable solution. Joe

But how much fuel does it consume in order to go from a standing start to operational cruising speed? I very much doubt that One Gallon of diesel fuel is consumed to reach a 0 to 45 or 50-mph optimal cruising speed…


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[cmj8591]

It's pretty simple - if you don't want an EV, don't buy one.

Exactly. But it will be hard not to if you live in a place like California where they have banned the sale of gas engines and you need to drive to work. I find it ironic that if EV's are the obvious answer to the end of the world laws have to be made and people have to be paid off to buy them.

 

[dockmurgw]

It's pretty simple - if you don't want an EV, don't buy one.

If only that were true for the long term. It really is not that simple. Its called conformity through regulation...we will be forced into it kicking and screaming along the way.

 

[cmj8591]

But how much fuel does it consume in order to go from a standing start to operational cruising speed? I very much doubt that One Gallon of diesel fuel is consumed to reach a 0 to 45 or 50-mph optimal cruising speed…


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Fuel Efficiency - CSX.com

That's not how they figure it. It is measured across the whole system so inefficiency is factored in.

 

[yaktamer]

It's pretty simple - if you don't want an EV, don't buy one.

Until the government mandates that you can't have any other options. And then renders them much less practical by restricting when, where and how much you can drive under the guise of saving electricity and to ration it because the grid won't handle the demand.

 

[NYlakesider]

A diesel-electric locomotive (GE AC4400CW) can move 1 ton of freight 500 miles per gallon of fuel. Rubber tired vehicles have much more "resistance" but the principle is on the right track to a viable solution. Joe

Just to throw another class of vechicle into this Who can haul what.


Mrs Lakesider and I have done a lot of ocean cruises. I have asked ship officers what kind of yardage does this get at cruising speed. Have got a few answers and to be honest do not know if their BSing me or not. Taking a average of my answers it looks like a big cruise ship gets about 7' a gallon. Even with the cheap stuff they use (Bunker oil) a big ship is rather thirsty.

 

[cmj8591]

Just to throw another class of vechicle into this Who can haul what.


Mrs Lakesider and I have done a lot of ocean cruises. I have asked ship officers what kind of yardage does this get at cruising speed. Have got a few answers and to be honest do not know if their BSing me or not. Taking a average of my answers it looks like a big cruise ship gets about 7' a gallon. Even with the cheap stuff they use (Bunker oil) a big ship is rather thirsty.

I'm going to bet if you ran the numbers on one of those big container ships or a supertanker you'd find that they are pretty efficient.

 

[venomballistics]

I just don't believe any of that. The folks I know who own these like the quietness, the lack of having to use expensive gas stations, and the complete absence of having to have EVs serviced. What works will sell.

complete lack of service is a lie.
sure ... you wont have oil changes, spark plugs and a handful of other basic things. That gets replaced by a battery pack that will reach end of life.
They still have brakes, suspension, and tires to keep shops busy too.

 

[biku324]

complete lack of service is a lie.
sure ... you wont have oil changes, spark plugs and a handful of other basic things. That gets replaced by a battery pack that will reach end of life.
They still have brakes, suspension, and tires to keep shops busy too.

None of what you mention are common problems requiring attention every 4000-6000 miles like current gas-or-diesel vehicles. None. Factory tires should take you 50k miles. Just like other cars. Brake wear depends on your driving habits, just like other cars.

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