Which EV manufacture has them in their car?
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Which EV manufacture has them in their car?
DWalt
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That is a given. There are EV taxation schemes at every level of government now in the oven. The states and the feds will always get their slice of the tax pie. The idea of taxing initial EV purchase and an EV surcharge for annual registration renewal appears to be the way it will go. The only unknown will be by how much.
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venomballistics
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sounds a bit like a fart in one hand, and a wish in the other.
Might help to stick to known technologies with at least proof of concept prototypes and samples.
while the Jet engine had a pathway forward, as well as turbochargers to base it off of cold fusion did not. the jet engine worked, came into regular use and general acceptance ... cold fusion fell on the floor and faded away as the fraud it was.
There's a lot of stuff we want to believe. whether or not hard reality will support that belief is another matter.
I'll give EV's their cred where it is due. I've embraced it in the RC aircraft hobby. I'm waiting for UPS to drop off an order of new batteries to replace some of those that just won't get it done anymore. That's the inescapable reality.
I'd like to hold out for some of the glass or ceramic substrate types, but the only ones out there are evaluation samples and very hard to find.
even still, I can get cells that can be charged in 30 minutes with ample margin for safety, yet folks are somehow thrilled that the same cells charge over night or longer in a car.
They could fast charge in a half hour too, but it's bottle necked at the power supply, and so few seem to understand that.
even at a technological level that would give us a cell that could be charged in 10 minutes, the power to do it just is not there
venomballistics
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I'll start with 45-70 ...
I'd ask for recipies, but given some of the battery fire reports, they appear to be self cooking.
venomballistics
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with a claimed range of 149 miles for the leaf, limiting it to 60% for "maintenance" leaves it at 90 mile range and up to 12 hours charge time at level 2.
This might work out for a daily commute and even a run to the store after work. but it'll be tethered to the garage any other time, preventing having any kind of life outside the home / work routine.
I'm simply not boring enough for this.
Electric vehicles & practicality
Better high strength, heat resistant nickel alloys made the jet engine practical. It is doubtful that there will be a high density car battery that lasts years, recharges over night, and does not have a 5-figure replacement cost.
Golf carts are an example of a 300 lb. power plant: storage batteries and electric motor or gasoline tank, engine, and clutch package. Electric cart will go 36 holes of golf (maybe) about 7 miles at best. Gas golf cart will do 36 holes for 3 days without refueling, about 20 miles. Either cart has a top speed of 15 MPH, so take your time.
It is difficult to beat the energy density of gasoline.
Better high strength, heat resistant nickel alloys made the jet engine practical. It is doubtful that there will be a high density car battery that lasts years, recharges over night, and does not have a 5-figure replacement cost.
Golf carts are an example of a 300 lb. power plant: storage batteries and electric motor or gasoline tank, engine, and clutch package. Electric cart will go 36 holes of golf (maybe) about 7 miles at best. Gas golf cart will do 36 holes for 3 days without refueling, about 20 miles. Either cart has a top speed of 15 MPH, so take your time.
It is difficult to beat the energy density of gasoline.
Who said anything about 60%? They charge it Sunday nights and Wednesday nights.
They bought the car for their boring work commute.
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cmj8591
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So they need two cars because the EV doesn't work for long trips?
DWalt
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My vehicular travel these days is ordinarily limited to a trip maximum of 30 miles, usually less and not every day, but rarely more than 150 mile one way. I would be the ideal candidate for a plug-in hybrid vehicle. But that's never going to happen as it is not economically feasible to ditch a perfectly adequate and dependable ICE vehicle which has long been paid for and then pay maybe $30-40K for a new low-end Hybrid just to save a few bucks on gas.
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Is an EV good to go after it hits a bear?
Good grief. They own two cars (and have since they got married 27 years ago) because they often go separately to different places.
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DWalt
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That is a valid point. I have read that it takes not much more than a minor collision to total out an expensive EV, and insurance is somewhat more expensive than for an ICE.
The bear would be charged.
The kids' Leaf costs less for insurance than their Toyota hybrid.
According to data provided by The Zebra, an insurance comparison website, a Chevrolet Bolt EV costs $78 more per year to insure than a Hyundai Ioniq Blue, a hybrid. And a Tesla Model 3 Long Range costs $470 more per year to insure than an Audi A4 2.0T Premium, which is gasoline-powered. Brand has a big impact on price, according to The Zebra. There are many luxury EV models on the market that—generally speaking—will cost a lot to insure because they're expensive. But there are a few EVs that could actually save you money in terms of insurance. A Nissan Leaf, for example, costs $35 less per year to insure than a Toyota Prius. Electric Vehicles Cost More to Insure Than Gasoline-Powered - Consumer Reports
I see what you did there . . .
Insurance is zip code, vehicle, and driver specific. Impossible to compare rates unless you're talking same driver, same vehicle, same zip code. My 83 year old mother just had her rate dropped from over $900 every six months to under $250 every six months because I had my agent quote it instead of her agent. . .
Or that the majority of the electricity used to charge their EV was generated with fossil fuels.
We will never know what inventions were never created because scarce resources were redirected and wasted.
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So……. The day we received the vans everybody and their brothers were out looking for a place to get power from.
Lots of debate.
"Okay, you guys, dig a trench here. You other guys run the conduit'.
This went on for a while.
Next day we get another phone call. Turn in the other two vans. But we don't have replacements yet.
So now, we are short two vehicles and can barely charge the other two.
Meanwhile our work isn't getting done.
I shudder when I think this is happening all over the country.
So……. The day we received the vans everybody and their brothers were out looking for a place to get power from.
Lots of debate.
"Okay, you guys, dig a trench here. You other guys run the conduit'.
This went on for a while.
Next day we get another phone call. Turn in the other two vans. But we don't have replacements yet.
So now, we are short two vehicles and can barely charge the other two.
Meanwhile our work isn't getting done.
I shudder when I think this is happening all over the country.
venomballistics
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I'm positive that you're right
LOL,
"All I know..." pretty much sums it up.
What it boils down to is you don't really KNOW the facts of what their EV actually costs them. You are just regurgitating what THEY tell you.
Do you think there is any chance that you are being fed a "rose colored glasses" view of reality - that they want to justify their decision by painting it in the most positive light? Or that they tell you just what they want to in order to justify their decision? People never do anything like that, right?
FWIW, the same 220v charging station they had installed in 2018 - FIVE years ago - will cost you at least 3 times that much today. That's just an economic reality - we've all seen prices of nearly everything triple in the last few years.
The reality of mathematics trumps biased anecdotal stories. Every time.
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My gf's neighbours have a SmartForTwo micro EV (now discontinued, I think) and that's what they use theirs for. He's a nurse at the local hospital and she teaches belly dancing (!) locally. Perfect for their purposes. But they also have a med-size pickup with a camper on it.
I sure see a LOT of Teslas here and in Bellingham, though. On a <1/2 mile stretch up the hill to get to my place a few weeks ago I counted six.
Oh just STOP it! Now you're getting into the sacrifices people would/will have to make to go 100% EV by the deadlines imposed by our overlords.
Up to this point we've all been talking about the hard numbers and mathematical certainties of why EV's are such a poor choice for so many people, and why the mandates simply won't work.
Now you're completely changing the debate by talking about the sacrifices people will need to make to drive an EV.
Like I said earlier, if THEY are going to force us all into EV's in the next 10 years - which is what they SAY they are planning to do - then 10 years from now, a LOT of us plebes are going to be WALKING!
Of course our overlords won't be on foot. THEY will be exempted from the restrictions that their unrealistic policies and plans impose on the rest of us.
The more I look at it, the more convinced I become that environmentalism is more about the division between US and THEM (the people and our rulers) than it ever was about trying to affect the environment.
It's just like gun control - which isn't as much about guns as it is about CONTROL. Likewise, "saving the planet" is more about controlling the masses than it is about saving "Mother earth".
Just my opinion.
By golly, I'm convinced - the kids are lying and EVs are the leading edge of the end of the world.
In the meantime, my next new vehicle will be the Ford EV pickup.
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Yeah, sure, when your logic fails, snark is probably your next best option.
Good day to you sir!
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Alton
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Surprised this thread is still going great work everyone for not crossing the line. Tesla has my respect because not only are they making the vehicle, they have laid out charging stations through out the country for their customers. The more Tesla's the less usage of gas and diesel and the cheaper it gets. So not a bad thing, just not my thing.
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ENOUGH NOW...STOP IT ALREADY!!! It's for the children, it's for the environment...nothing else matters!!! And extra points for feeding an appetite for self-righteousness.
Actually, low-end EVs are also for working folks looking for a cheaper, hassle free commute. Long distance drivers, not so much.
Oops! The charging station for my Ford is $799 from the factory. Ford Electric | The Official Site for Ford Electric
Here's what the kids have - it's $350 now.
Lectron Level 2 Charging Station (240 Volt, 20ft Cable, 32 Amp) NEMA 14-50 Plug, EVSE 7.68kW Compatible with All SAE J1772 Electric Vehicles
$349.99
Source: EV Adept TOP 5 Nissan Leaf Chargers for Home • EV Adept
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I am actually not opposed to EV's, if they work for a fit someone's lifestyle then have at it, I'm happy for them. And I know that they are a viable option for many. What I am opposed to is being forced into them, EV's escaping the gasoline tax that fund the roads they drive on, being forced to pay for public charging stations and the energy they consume, packs of feral echo nazi's slashing SUV tires and throwing paint on priceless works of art, etc...etc...etc. I am not saying you or yours fall into any of those categories, just saying that I oppose what is sadly become the norm for so many today. Your Ford Lightning will work for you, that's great and I'm happy for you. My F150 is used to plow snow, haul equipment and material, and many other uses that make the EV version useless...but unfortunately the time is rapidly approaching that I will be punished for my choice and need, but you will be rewarded. Add that to the list of what I oppose.
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