FL law states to carry "permitless," one must carry and produce ID on demand. Same was required with a CWFL. No difference. While the circumstances of asking for ID may be debatable and subject to court interpretation, being required to carry and produce ID for certain activities has long been required. Driving a vehicle requires a license that must be presented upon lawful demand. Walking on the sidewalk does not.
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FL law states to carry "permitless," one must carry and produce ID on demand. Same was required with a CWFL. No difference. While the circumstances of asking for ID may be debatable and subject to court interpretation, being required to carry and produce ID for certain activities has long been required. Driving a vehicle requires a license that must be presented upon lawful demand. Walking on the sidewalk does not.
The Supreme Court decided this issue 55 years ago in Terry v. Ohio.
The beauty of living in the United States is being able to move freely and live wherever you want. If you feel safer in Connecticut because of their gun laws then you should move there. Life is to short to live in fear.
as an instructor I hear all the time, you only want people to have to take training because you make money that way. true I make money teaching I have a lot invested in my TRAINING.
When I was doing a lot of CC training I had a lot of people come to my classes that had already obtained their CCW permit by sending in their hunters safety permit. That's right Wisconsin will give you a CCW permit if you have taken hunters safety. not much is taught about CCW in hunter safety. the good people who sent in their hunter safety and after strapping on a firearm and leaving the house realized they had no clue about CCW the laws of CCW ect and paid up to get some training and knowledge about being a responsible gun owner and someone who could carry while walking down the street.
we as instructors know the importance of training maybe thats why some of us instructors never stop taking classes and are always trying to improve.
are there people who have been shooting all their life and have the common sense to be safe and carry without any training, yes there are a few. if they have been shooting and know guns for a long time chances are that someone along the road of life has taught them safety and the proper use of firearms.
for someone who has never held a gun to buy a pistol, one box of ammo, a cheap fruit of the loom holster, strap it on say I am good to go is not a good thing.
But again some will say I only believe this because of my instructor status .
True story, I was at my local shop picking up a gun I'd ordered. There was a lady there that had bought a semi auto pistol, a box of ammo, and a maglula. She was trying her best to load a mag with the bullets backwards. I told her to turn them around, she said thanks. I left.
Well, she was no danger to anyone until you stepped in. Thank you, from a grateful nation . . .
I'm a NY resident. I've had my Florida Permit since 2017 when I bought property in Naples. Did it all by mail. I couldn't find my training certificate from NY because I took class in 1990. I told lady on phone I needed it for NY permit and I have NY permit so why I can't I use NY permit as proof of training. She said no and rattled off a list of acceptable proof. I used my hunting certificate from the 80s
1st 2 digits of my CWP are "88." Year of issue. I will be renewing next year because it is good in many states. As an "extra bonus," should I have LE contact while armed, a 35+ year CWP kinda clears up "stuff." Joe
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This is for general information only.
The Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services lists places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license:
There are a lot of gray areas as well. For example, you can concealed carry in a church or house of worship - unless they have a preschool or school on the premises (even if not in session). Plus while a restaurant is typically OK if you are carrying, it may be problematic if the restaurant has a bar or can serve alcohol at your table.
In addition, if you are asked to leave a location but refuse to do so or obfuscate and delay while carrying a concealed firearm you may be charged with Armed Trespass (which is 3rd Degree Felony) instead of Simple Trespass (which is a misdemeanor).
The Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services lists places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license:
- Any place of nuisance as defined in Section 823.05, F.S.
- Any police, sheriff or highway patrol station
- Any detention facility, prison or jail
- Any courthouse
- Any courtroom
- Any polling place
- Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality or special district
- Any meeting of the Legislature or a legislative committee
- Any school, college or professional athletic event not related to firearms
- Any school administration building
- Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption
- Any elementary or secondary school facility
- Any area technical center
- Any college or university facility
- Inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport
- Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law
There are a lot of gray areas as well. For example, you can concealed carry in a church or house of worship - unless they have a preschool or school on the premises (even if not in session). Plus while a restaurant is typically OK if you are carrying, it may be problematic if the restaurant has a bar or can serve alcohol at your table.
In addition, if you are asked to leave a location but refuse to do so or obfuscate and delay while carrying a concealed firearm you may be charged with Armed Trespass (which is 3rd Degree Felony) instead of Simple Trespass (which is a misdemeanor).
I remember when Ohio became a Constitutional Carry state that predictably Shannon Watts prophesied that the streets would run red.
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I have yet to need my squeegee.
Not true. You cannot carry in the "bar area." In many restaurants, the bar area is separated by a wall, etc. Nothing in FL law prevents carrying while drinking nor having one served to you "outside" of the bar area.
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Here's the statute as actually written, there are no gray areas:
Possession Restrictions / Concealed Weapon License / Consumer Resources / Home - Florida Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services
Possession Restrictions
Section 790.06(12)(a), Florida Statutes, lists places where you cannot legally carry a concealed weapon or concealed firearm even if you have a license. For your convenience, the text from Section 790.06(12)(a), Florida Statutes, is below:
(12)(a) A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into:
Any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05;
Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;
Any detention facility, prison, or jail;
Any courthouse;
Any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom;
Any polling place;
Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district;
Any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof;
Any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms;
Any elementary or secondary school facility or administration building;
Any career center;
Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;
Any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;
The inside of the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft;
or
Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.
Regarding carrying a firearm in a house of worship; this is the correct information:
Florida Concealed Carry Update: New Church Carry Law
Floridians with a Concealed Weapon and Firearm License (CWFL) no longer need to consider whether a religious institution either 1) operates a school on the property where services are held, or 2) holds services on rented or leased school property.
Under the previous Florida concealed carry law, a CWFL holder could not carry a firearm onto the property of any school.
Therefore, even those who held a valid Florida concealed carry license could not lawfully carry their firearms with them while they attended religious services, and they were essentially defenseless against attack if their place of worship had a school of its own on the same property, or if the services were held on rented or leased property belonging to a school.
Further, religious organizations that wanted to provide security to parishioners were required to hire licensed security guards for protection if there was a school using the property where services were held.
The restrictions applied even if school was not in session as CWFL holders were not authorized to carry firearms onto the property of any school, even with the express permission of the religious institution.
On June 30, 2021, that all changed with the stroke of a pen when Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed House Bill 259, known as the Church Carry Bill into law.
The new law became effective immediately upon signing. House Bill 259 amended Florida Statute § 790.06 by adding subsection (13). This new subsection now allows a CWFL holder to carry a concealed weapon or firearm onto the property of a religious institution for the expressed purposes of safety, security, personal protection, or any other lawful purpose.
Other lawful purposes can include self-defense, the defense of loved ones, and the defense of anyone else present when a deadly threat arises on the institution's property, whether or not it occurs during services.
The new statute section allows a CWFL holder to carry not just onto property owned by a religious institution but also onto any property rented, leased, borrowed, or lawfully used by a church, synagogue, or other religious institution.
This includes any instance when the property owned, rented, leased, borrowed, or lawfully used by the religious institution has a school located on it.
The allowance applies regardless of whether the school is in session or not.
Further, the allowance of firearms on property owned, rented, leased, borrowed, or lawfully used by a church, synagogue, or other religious institution applies to any property owned, rented, leased, borrowed, or lawfully used by the institution regardless of whether the property is ever or has ever been used to conduct religious services.
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...which is exactly why I started that paragraph with "There are a lot of gray areas...". I'm not the one you have to worry about.
And if you re-read my post, I have NOTHING in it about carrying
and being served or drinking alcohol. Yes, I was not familiar with the "Church Carry Law" that was enacted in 2021 because it wasn't posted where I typically look for this info. My bad on that for not checking the updates.
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CC is a misnomer when you have restrictions, the 2A is quite clear, at least to me. Call it permit less carry, that's what it really is.
Bars
In Montana, prior to allowing permit less carry, it was illegal to carry concealed in any establishment that served alcohol. I very rarely drink and most decent restaurants serve alcohol. There for even though cold sober I would not have been able defend myself or my family while out to dinner. It was also illegal to carry while intoxicated.
When they passed the new carry laws Montana legislators recognized the folly of this and as that and other "gun free zones" actually only deterred the law abiding from having the best means of self defense. Criminals by their very definition do not obey the law, they will carry in any gun free zone, they will get drunk when doing so. Only the law abiding obey the laws. DUH. I can now legally carry where they serve alcohol, in a bank, in the courthouse (but not the court room). It is still illegal to carry while intoxicated.
Guess what, the number of shootings in bars, courthouses, and banks has not increased.
In Montana, prior to allowing permit less carry, it was illegal to carry concealed in any establishment that served alcohol. I very rarely drink and most decent restaurants serve alcohol. There for even though cold sober I would not have been able defend myself or my family while out to dinner. It was also illegal to carry while intoxicated.
When they passed the new carry laws Montana legislators recognized the folly of this and as that and other "gun free zones" actually only deterred the law abiding from having the best means of self defense. Criminals by their very definition do not obey the law, they will carry in any gun free zone, they will get drunk when doing so. Only the law abiding obey the laws. DUH. I can now legally carry where they serve alcohol, in a bank, in the courthouse (but not the court room). It is still illegal to carry while intoxicated.
Guess what, the number of shootings in bars, courthouses, and banks has not increased.
So, just a minor point of parliamentary procedure, but if you have imbibed at your home, and are forced to defend yourself and your family, are you facing criminal charges?
Why are guns even allowed in a state that takes up 99.9% of the air time for COPS, Live PD and On Patrol?
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