daveyc
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cute sentiment, but back to reality. Do you really think its appropriate to be carting around a dog in a buggy used for families to shop for groceries in?
really? I wonder what your grandmother would say...
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cute sentiment, but back to reality. Do you really think its appropriate to be carting around a dog in a buggy used for families to shop for groceries in?
really? I wonder what your grandmother would say...
sigp220.45
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I feel ya.
You were supportive of my rant on miserable wheelchair passengers...I have to agree with you, but then I am not as much of a dog lover as many dog lovers are...
My wife is truly careful about the whole germy world, her pet peeve is woman's purses. 90% of the women in the world take their purse into the restroom with them and set it on the floor beside them, then take that same purse home and set it on the counter where meals are prepared. So when you see grandma's purse in the shopping cart, where has that purse been. Not to mention the kids with soggy bottoms sitting backwards in the kids seat of the cart. Grocery store carts are some of the filthiest items in our day to day world.
daveyc
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I didnt figure you would actually address the question.
people expect blind acceptance/adoration of their pets. they are usually shocked/offended when they do not get it.
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To bad we don’t have a dislike button
So, what is your opinion of owners having their dogs in their place of business? 32 years in business, always 1 dog, many years 2,a few times 3. My current dog is my sidekick and protector. In the 12 years she has been my personal & shop dog there have been 2 people she would not let come in. Would you be number 3?
daveyc
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I believe twice previously in this thread I have stated that I understand mine is an unpopular opinion. That doesn't necessarily make it wrong.
having said that, with very few exceptions, I consider having pets in a business place to be very unprofessional and unhygienic. I dont mean to single out dogs in particular, it is just that seems to be the most popular pet to take out in public. Do I think I would be the third person denied access to your store by your dog? I have no idea. dogs can be unpredictable. just look at the statistics. Most dog fatalities are done by the family dog who had no history of bites. until they did. You very well may have lost 2 important clients because your dog became territorial. who knows. I know I would not be making business decisions based on the mood of my dog.
There are people who are allergic to pet dander. there are those who are uneasy around certain pets. There is the distict possibility of being bitten by someones pet. people doubt that, but there are lots of statistics out there. It is a huge liability for both an individual and a business there.
lets extrapolate this out. you have a dog in your place of business. sometimes 2. that is the most popular pet in America. would your opinion change if someone wanted to bring their pet iguana in public? what about a large python/anaconda? what if someone had a trained pet alligator? would that be acceptable?
let me ask you, do you feel it is acceptable to bring a dog/other pet into a grocery store and push them around in a shopping cart? Do you think it is acceptable to bring a pet into a restaurant?
daveyc
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do you often dislike people simply because they have an opinion that differs from yours?
It depends on the business.
I went to a local ceramic/wrap shop, I always try to support local vendors, for a quote on a new car. The owner was quite nice, just getting her business going.
She explained all, and took me into her “clean room” where the process would take place.
The room was not a room, just a big open space with some lamps and a big hairy dog about 10 feet away from the work area behind a makeshift barrier, running back and forth. One could see dog hairs all over the place, on the floor and floating.
Like bringing a dog into the OR. : 
Needless to say I left and went some 20 miles to another shop that was totally professional. They had a much bigger shop with walls separating each work area,…… for washing, vacuuming, paint prep, ceramic coating, and then applying film. And no dogs in the work area though the owners wife did have a very small dog she kept in a separate office. The dog was let out to potty but did not pass anywhere near the locked doors of each work area.
The work at shop 2 was fantastic and priced better than the other shop. There’s a time and place for everything.
I went to a local ceramic/wrap shop, I always try to support local vendors, for a quote on a new car. The owner was quite nice, just getting her business going.
She explained all, and took me into her “clean room” where the process would take place.
The room was not a room, just a big open space with some lamps and a big hairy dog about 10 feet away from the work area behind a makeshift barrier, running back and forth. One could see dog hairs all over the place, on the floor and floating.
Like bringing a dog into the OR. : Needless to say I left and went some 20 miles to another shop that was totally professional. They had a much bigger shop with walls separating each work area,…… for washing, vacuuming, paint prep, ceramic coating, and then applying film. And no dogs in the work area though the owners wife did have a very small dog she kept in a separate office. The dog was let out to potty but did not pass anywhere near the locked doors of each work area.
The work at shop 2 was fantastic and priced better than the other shop. There’s a time and place for everything.
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These days a Trunk Monkey would be just the ticket
Real Service dogs can and should go everywhere. I am a dog fan and as such I generally enjoy seeing WELL MANNERED dogs out and about. The problem is many folks have zero standards for their pets, their children or themselves.
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There is a particular business in my town that I would love to do business with. However, they have 3 very large black dogs that sit in a corner, and then jump up when a customer comes in.
Personally I find it completely unacceptable to have a dog sniffing on and licking my privates when I simply want to buy something.
So, I go elsewhere and gladly pay more.
There is accountability issues on the part of the dog owner. Part of those issues include keeping the dog contained, which means keeping it away from others as well as food or other items someone might reasonably touch. I do not consider 3rd hand contact to be an issue, such as from putting a dog in a shopping cart then putting food in the same basket later as food is generally prepackaged or in the case of produce, later washed.
Another issue is the size of the dog. Small dogs or cats for that matter, don't bother me, as long as they are contained or securely carried. A dog on a leash in a store or shopping area however is cause for concern. Leashes let the animal get away from the owner to the point they or their leash can become tripping hazards or reach something they shouldn't have contact with, such as a child or someone who is allergic to or afraid of dogs. And the larger the dog, the larger the risk, IMHO. Service dogs get a pass as they are trained to behave appropriately. Support dogs, generally are not. Again, if your support animal is a tea cup poodle you can carry and control, you will get no flack from me. If it's a 5 foot boa constrictor wrapped over your shoulder, your comfort animal may meet my comfort S&W. My general rule of thumb for support dogs: If you can carry it, fine. If you need a leash, leave it at home.
I'll leave with this note: all animals can and will bite. Period. It's not the animal's responsibility, it is the owners. Even if you don't think Fido would harm a flea, if he does, it's your fault. If a stupid kid comes up and sticks his face in your dog's face and gets bit for his actions, it's still YOUR fault for bringing the dog. If it was my kid, I would apologize, send you on your way and deal with the kid when I got him home, but everyone's not like me, so you need to live by the rules.
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daveyc
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As a landlord I don't allow any pets in any of my rent houses because an animal can easily do much more damage than the refundable pet deposit could even begin to cover. However I'm required by law to allow people with therapy dogs live there and I'm not able to charge them one penny for a pet deposit. Many people have at least two therapy dogs for different family members and all they have to do is provide a letter from a doctor or therapist and I think they are pretty easy to get. You might even be able to get one off the internet for a slight fee.
daveyc
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Let folks haul their dogs, etc. with them. Just require that they must leave these animals outside the door of a business before they can enter. Why should this be a problem. It is no different than a citizen exercising their COTUS protected 2nd Amendment right of ccc being told they cannot bring their firearm into a store, etc. Do it everywhere ... businesses, airports, hospitals, ... everywhere. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.
Only place I have seen a dog or animal in a shopping cart is Walmart, I just consider the source.
Restaurants, outdoor service, sure welcome. Indoor no.
My business is a high risk for robbery, pawnshop & FFL firearms dealer, women owned and operated and only 1 person working at any given time.
I have always trusted my various dogs judgement of people.
The last person she would not let in, guess what? Two days later his mugshot was on the police blotter for robbery. So, was he going to be a good customer? I think not.
daveyc
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Do you think it is appropriate for dogs to be pushed around in shopping carts in grocery stores? I dont see why you would make an allowance for WalMart as most at this point are grocery stores as well.
I am interested in your take on restaurants. why is it acceptable outside, but not in?
