hkcavalier
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Interesting! Made in TX. Can't wait for the YT reviews. Were they at SHOT? If not they missed some serious marketing buzz.
NEW HK P7s?
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While I was in Kosovo, I worked with a German police lieutenant who carried a H&K P7. When he when on leave, I volunteered to clean it for him. The 2 weeks he was on vacation, I was assigned to the range, where I had access to unlimited ammo. 
I shot it whenever I could. It was a fine handgun. When my friend returned, his sidearm was sparkling clean.
I shot it whenever I could. It was a fine handgun. When my friend returned, his sidearm was sparkling clean.
I see a lawsuit from H&K if they ever get built. I only see renderings on that web page.
The address listed for the business is a house in Austin Texas
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Why? I'm sure the patents have expired.
When I first arrived in Afghanistan in 2004, I was issued a copy of the MP 5. I believe it was made in Turkey.
All of the Turkish MP5s, HK94's, HK93's, etc. was produced under license from H&K at the Kirkkale plant of the Turkish firm of MKE. Patents may have expired but H&K still owns all intellectual rights to the design.
ColbyBruce
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Kirikkale, perhaps? I have owned a couple of Walther PP clones made by them.
The armorer told those of us that received these clones to go out & shoot them as soon as possible, as half of them jammed. I was lucky; mine shot OK. When my Beretta M9 and M4 showed up, I felt much better.
It is my understanding that most of the equipment and tooling that H&K send to Turkey was quite worn already and the tolerances were almost out of spec. It was a learning curve that they finally figured out but the early stuff was garbage as you stated.
LVSteve
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HUH! I own a Hungarian PP clone, but I've never seen a Turkish one. How are they marked?
ColbyBruce
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Google search will bring up plenty of photos; I don't have any photos of my former guns.
The grips will either say MKE or Kirikkale depending on when it was made.
The side of the frame will also be stamped MKE
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I don't know if the Turkish MP-5's were licensed by HK, however, my department issued the MP-5 and HK-94. I was an HK armorer and HK was very specific, they would not support or supply parts for clones. Only HK factory products. I understand some agencies purchased clones and were unable to source repair parts. At least from HK.
It is my understanding that all of the machinery and dies came from H&K so it wouldnt necessarily be a clone if they were built using factory made dies supplied by H&K
Mainsail
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I think you heard wrong; they're bringing back the Bren 10.
Back in 2002ish there was a gun shop in Lakewood, a few miles from the McChord AFB gate - he had several P7 police turn-ins. He was asking $900 even back then. I thought they were interesting, but way too expensive for a 9mm in my opinion.
Back in 2002ish there was a gun shop in Lakewood, a few miles from the McChord AFB gate - he had several P7 police turn-ins. He was asking $900 even back then. I thought they were interesting, but way too expensive for a 9mm in my opinion.
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I kicked myself a bit, as I was in Austin last week. Should've investigated at bit… In a manner that wasn't disruptive.
The buzz has been high over at HKPro, where there is an audience willing to slap down $4000 for a bespoke build of a gun H&K discontinued when Bill Clinton was president. The P7 plan is presently to build 100s a year, not a SHOT Show volume.
The buyers of this new P7 are folks with some cash in their pockets, an appreciation for the complexity of a new manufacturing entity faces and a willingness to invest in a teething process. The builder is savvy to assess the audience and ramp slowly.
Personally, I am a potential buyer. Always have wanted a P7, but recall my college days when a $1100 M13 tempted me for months at the local Scheel's used case. While arguably worth $1100 then, that was beyond my student means, even working three jobs.
My then-somewhat hot 21-yoa girlfriend bought a sweet late 80's manufactured SIG P225 out of that upscale Scheel's case. While the old girlfriend probably looks pretty decent now, there is no way that P225 hasn't aged much, much better. C'est la vie.
(Only mentioning this because the ex girlfriend is almost certainly not on S&W forum, as she would move onto a G23C before our love affair soured… However, the P225 is one of the relationship benefits I miss the most.)
ColbyBruce
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I strongly detest when gunmakers bring back an older design, only to add modernized additions and not offer a more classic model aligned with the originals. The optics cut isn't too bad provided that the plate screws don't stick out like sore thumbs or look silly, but I have great disdain for multi-slot rails on the front of pistols ruining their good looks and smooth lines, and having the rail being the only option.
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They are all being offered as options… meaning if you want a traditional P7, it is offered (pick the right options). Want to add a railed dust cover… done. Beavertail? Carry trigger guard? The bigger thing I like is the option between steel, alloy and Titanium frames as it gives people options for what they will use it for.
Slides and barrels have even more options, like serrations, compensated, extended, threaded, optics cut.
The P7 came out in the late 1970s. A lot of advancement in pistol technology occurred in the past 40+ years. For a company to bring back a pistol that there is a market for, I support that. Adding in they are allowing people to buy a traditional version or one that is modified for what people want today… I say that is a good business model. Especially when not just doing one setup across the board likely will hurt profits.
Myself… I've wanted a P7M8 for years. I look at them on Gunbroker from time to time, but hard for me to swallow $3,000+ on a gun that is used and that I want to shoot. P7Pro will likely get my money, as a standard P7M8 reproduction is just at $2,500. I can swallow that, especially with their ties to HKPro and lifetime warranty. I want something to shoot… as well as zero issues carrying. This appears to meet those requirements.
That's great to hear. Nothing I like more than options when ordering - having both classic and modern styled options satisfy all parties.
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