9mm for deer ?????

In Oklahoma, 9mm are legal for deer hunting. My deer handgun is a 8" model 686 in .357 mag, but I have seen one-shot kills with a 9mm. I have also seen a turkey shot with 9mm and run off.
Our deer typically average small, 80 to 120 pounds.
I have killed more deer with a primitive bow than by any other method.
I used my .270 Winchester for elk, which was a one shot drop. (shot at a measured 60 FEET).
I prefer getting close.:)
 
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Irresponsible stunt on their behalf....I'd not watch the fools anymore after that. It's unethical, seeing as how they've turned it into a game of "hold my beer and watch this...".

Can it be done? Sure. If it were a survival situation and that's all you had, go for it. "Hunting" in a fenced in yard isn't hunting. If it's game management like hogs etc, you still owe it to the animals for clean, quick and ethical kills.

Not impressed...
 
Question to you're quote. I agree with you........So why do people shoot "em" with stick and string?

People with a bow are not ( at least I hope) going into woods with this cavalier attitude. Taking 90 yd shots and laughing about it. Yes yes I know there are exceptions to every rule. I know there's somebody that knows somebody that can hit an aspirin at 90 yds. But I think most bow hunters keep it inside 40 yds. Some much less. My biggest problem with Warren is he's a hypocrite. He even calls his show The High Road. As in take the high road. He preaches respect for nature and others yet he hunts high fence "farms" and pulls stunts like this.
 
I finished a small buck with a 158gr .357 to the spine at the base of the skull. recovered the slug in the spine, not an instant kill....
A very sick moo cow took four .270 to the head before going down (knew enough to try for the X but scoped rifles put them low at that range).
Neither experience was pleasant.

OZ
 
So hard cast 9mm 147 gr Buffalo Bore or Underwood 5.31" barrel can't take a deer humanly? [EDIT] I missed the "90 yard" part. No, I can't say that is ethical or makes any sense.
 
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I hit a raccoon with a 147-gr 9mm, and he made it to the woodline. I know I got him because he stunk the place up, and something drug him out 2 days later. Thet are tough buggers, though...

Not my idea of the ideal deer round.
 
Just thinking. You know....

.... I could take a deer at close range with my 9mm carbine using the right ammo. But I still wouldn't do it. Like somebody said before, I have several rifles that I would use before that that would deliver the best chance of a clean kill. As a 'survival' rifle in the zombie apocalypse. IF that's all I had, yeah. When we get to that point.
 
Reminds me of a hunt that my Father went on in Canada for Moose.

A well known bow hunter stuck a Bull and it took ltwo days for the guides to find it and, finish him off.

My fathers hunting friend, went into the bow hunters cabin and broke one of his prize arrows and tossed it and a white feather onto his bed.

Things don't always go as planned.
 
Keith Warren and 9MM

I met Keith Warren on a ranch many years ago while working there. He was Generally rude to his own staff camera people etc.
Also he is completely funded by sponsors and will endorse anything (as will most outdoor personalities), and fabricate video of success. Example - filming kill shots made with rifles and editing to look like an animal was taken with a handgun. Just one instance I have personally witnessed by another unnamed outdoor personality. If you never want to watch outdoor tv again, work for some of these guys as a guide. My personal experience was always disappointing, With a few exceptions. The experiences of friends and co-workers in the hunting/guiding industry have been the same. I am no longer involved in the business. Don't believe what you see!
 
Before moving back to my home state of Kansas in 2004, I lived in Illinois and was certified by the Illinois Department of Wildlife as a hunter safety instructor. One of the topics covered in the classes was "Hunter Ethics". I loved teaching that segment. It didn't take the students long to realize my passion for ethical hunting. It was always interesting to talk with them about why "legal" is not necessarily always "ethical".

As a case in point, several years ago, the Kansas Department of Fish and Wildlife posted a discussion topic for an upcoming commission meeting. They were proposing a change to the hunting laws that would allow ANY centerfire handgun be made legal for hunting deer. I contacted them to voice my opposition. I asked them if they really wanted people hunting deer with a .25 acp. The response I received said they "hoped Kansas deer hunters would choose their firearm more wisely than that."

So, in their infinite stupidity, they changed the law from something that was illegal AND unethical to one that is now legal but IMO still unethical.

As for Keith Warren, I lost all respect for him many years ago.
 
Question to your quote. I agree with you........So why do people shoot "em" with stick and string?

I took a bow hunting class about 40 years ago for a college PE credit. Compound bows were the thing even then with their now very high 50% let offs and I looked down on the traditional recurve bow folks using a less effective bow.

That was both uneducated and a might narrow minded on my part.

Now I don't even own a compound bow and I regard modern compound bows with their low percentage let offs and tarted up accouterments as not nearly primitive enough, and feel they encourage unethical archers to take shots at excessive ranges.

I hunt with one of a couple well made long bows, which is about as primitive as it gets and arguably harder to shoot well than a recurve. But I also keep my shots close enough that I know I can place the arrow in the kill zone, and I take care to make sure the deer isn't going to string jump.

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Given that I used to shoot competitive service match competition at ranges out to 600 yards, hunting with a rifle stopped being "hunting" and rather was just setting up on a ridge or other suitable hide before dawn and then shooting the chosen animal. I stopped seeing any sport in that knowing I'd bag a nice deer or antelope by 10am and be home by noon. Any "hunting" was limited to pre season scouting identifying likely paths between nightly bedding areas and morning food and water locations.

For me, a bow or a handgun puts the sport back in it as it now requires the skill to also get within reasonable, ethical range of the animal.

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Now…that said I'll still choose a .357 Magnum or 32,000 psi loaded .45 Colt for handgun hunting, or where legal go all in with a 14" Contender in .30-30.

In my former home state of SD handgun hunting of deer and antelope is not legal and that's largely because the ranges tend to be long in open country and the deer tend to be large - 250-300 pounds isn't unusual.

Here in NC handgun hunting is legal during the rifle season with no restriction on barrel length or caliber. Ranges are generally closer and a 90-100 pound deer is pretty common. A 150 pound deer is something to brag about, where we'd let a puny deer, especially a mule deer, like that go grow up some more in SD.

Legal or not, common sense dictates not using a .22 LR handgun as your primary weapon (although NC state law only allows archery hunters to use a .22 LR handgun to dispatch wounded game).

As noted above the deer in eastern NC are small, but even then I'm not inclined to use a 9mm when a 6" .357 Mag or 7 1/2" .45 Colt is a much better choice with greater range and better terminal ballistics than a 5" 9mm pistol.

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Most importantly whether it is a long bow, a handgun or a rifle, ethics are important. That means having the discipline and self control to limit your shots to a range that is appropriate to the weapon and gives you a very high chance of a quick and humane kill.

Unfortunately way too many "sportsmen" today have the asinine and uneducated belief that "if it's legal, it's ethical" demonstrating that they have absolutely no concept of ethical behavior. Idiots like that are why hunting regulations have to get ever more restrictive to compensate for people who lack ethics and or common sense or lack the ability to properly regulate their own behavior

A humane kill generally isn't a drop them on the spot shot as even a hit in the upper portion of the heart or the large arteries above it still leaves enough oxygenated blood in the brain and body for about 10 seconds of useful consciousness and it's not uncommon for a deer to run about 50 yards before it collapses. A hit in the more muscular and more self sealing lower chambers of the heart can allow a deer to run about 100 yards before it goes down.

In either case, and especially with a less than perfect hit, the ethical thing to do is to cool your jets for 15 minutes to allow it to quickly bed down, stay down, and stiffen up so that it won't get back up and run when you start tracking it and approach it.

If you are not in an area where you are willing to track it, don't shoot in the first place. Period. Full stop.

I've encountered more than my share of slob hunters unwilling to track game who then try to insist they missed, when the animal was clearly hit (usually badly). In addition to the derisive look they get when I go track it down, they make the "never hunt with this slob again" list.

Someone taking a 90 yard shot with a 9mm handgun would just immediately make that list.
 
9mm wouldn't be legal in my state for deer hunting, but I wouldn't have a problem with shooting one in a state where it was, provided that's all I had. It would have to be at ranges much closer than 90 yards though! I'd much rather have a 357 mag. 44 mag or even a 45 Colt.
 
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9mm wouldn't be legal in my state for deer hunting, but I wouldn't have a problem with shooting one in a state where it was provided that's all I had. It would have to be at ranges much closer than 90 yards though! I'd much rather have a 357 mag. 44 mag or even a 45 Colt.

Yea, I think the issue is with the 90 yards range more so than the caliber. 9mm at 90 yards is pretty weak.
 
I've killed "em " with Chevy trucks, Mustang cars, a 2 in Smith 34(22LR), a 1911 in 45acp, 357 mag and 44 mag........I don't deer hunting without enough gun to the job. Most of the above were shots of opportunity with the exception of the .44 mag.
 
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