LEOSA qualification 8/29/24.

[The Big D]

Don't know where the last 365 days went but was time for my annual LEOSA qualification.

I reside 115 miles from Sykesville, MD, where the Maryland Police and Corrections Training Center is located. Typically a nice 1:45 drive with a really nice segment of country roads but that segment was in a veritable monsoon. No worries…arrived with time to spare.

50 round daylight course from 3, 5, 7, 15, and 25 yards positions. Single hand strong and weak, 2 hand strong and weak, kneeling barricade and standing barricade positions are incorporated. All rounds are from holster draw save the instances when switching hands. Scored 247/250…3 rounds just outside the 5 point area. Likely from the 25 yard position.

30 round night course included all the above except condensed and no 25 yards shooting. 150/150! Night fire is simulated by wearing dark tinted goggles. They are, indeed, dark.

Shot my H&K P7 M8. Worked flawlessly except a rear site "dot" worked itself out again. Has happened before; no serious effect, obviously.

Received several offers to buy the pistol as usual. Seems circa $3K is the current market rate. Might consider an offer. I rarely carry it, but it is NOT a safe queen.

Range personnel recognized me out a couple times as a single digit qualifier. Certification numbers are 4 digits; I am 0009. Been qualifying at MPCTC since 2005.

Should note there is always a classroom session where range safety is stressed. As is the norm, range personnel recounted situations wherein LEOSA quals failed because the shooters were wholly unsafe either personally or to others on the line.

Lastly, range is outdoors but covered. Lordy, it was mid-90's with high humidity. Quite uncomfortable, for certain.

Be safe.

 

[Onomea]

Very nice shooting, BigD! Well done!

 

[Bald1]

I remember going with my dad once a yr to qualify. He worked armed security for Trico (windshield wiper manufacturer). The range where he shot had a bunch of holes in the ceilings. Range officer said it was accidental discharges from noobs who watched too much tv and saw guns being lowered into position rather than raised into position. I was probably 10 or younger and even I knew better. Dad carried a 4" 10-5. Only handgun he ever owned. Now I carry it. It started my interest in S&Ws.

 

[dave1918a2]

After watching some of the LEO's up here run Their quals at our club, I wouldn't be afraid to rob a bank or two.

 

[LVSteve]

Don't know about local LE qualifications, but the standard of shooting and firearm preparedness at my CCW classes and observed armed security qualifications is rather mixed. At my last CCW qualification, the guy next to me was using a 1911 that malfunctioned every other round. Turned out he was shooting ammo he had never tried before. Another guy there had not brought a gun! I will explain why on request. Anyhow, he borrowed a Glock 19 from the range with very mediocre results. Plenty to pass, but the NV requirement is hardly demanding.

 

[BE Mike]

I know that LEOSA courses vary from state to state. It appears to me that Maryland's is much more extensive and difficult than others. Are they trying to limit the number of retirees carrying? Where I qualify, we are required to shoot the course with a semi-auto pistol and revolver, if we plan to carry one or the other at one time or another. I always shoot both. I might add that I shoot at a LEO training facility about 20 minutes away and there is no charge.

 

[WCCPHD]

North Carolina requires the same standards for LEOSA as current LEO's are held to.

Minimum of annual daylight/dim light (i.e. night) qualification. Classroom training which covers safety, use of force, concealed carry restrictions, etc.

The daylight course of fire is from 3 yards to 25 yards and includes prone shooting at 25 yards. Various positions require standing, two hand, one hand, "off hand," and kneeling. Night is 3 yards to 15 yards. NC also requires a day/night combat course.

NC also requires qualification with EVERY weapon you plan to carry (by serial number).

I am currently sworn with two agencies and go to the range for one next Tuesday. The other agency's qualification is in two weeks. I usually qualify with the duty weapon and one or two "off duty" guns with each agency. This year its "Sig" year. I will shoot a P365 9MM, P320 9MM, P320 357 Sig and P320 X Ten Comp in 10MM. That should cover most contingencies.

 

[bushmaster1313]

What does LEORSA get you over Maryland permit?

 

[sigp220.45]

What does LEORSA get you over Maryland permit?

The ability to carry in all states and territories.

My LEOSA qual is next month. It is ridiculously easy. 20 rounds total, no reloading on the clock, start from the low ready, 3,5, and 7 yards. No classroom.

 

[geeollie]

Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act = LEOSA sometimes called HR218 after the house resolution.

I'm attaching a form from Vermont. It speaks about the term "firearm type" and how there has not been a case law that defines what this means. Even though the Federal law the Act is based on defines firearms as either handgun or long gun. My state makes us qualify with revolver and or semi auto...which ever we want to carry. I do not want to be the test case so I qualify with both....like many of you do.

Our state qualification is the same daytime qual as The Big D.

https://vcjc.vermont.gov/sites/vcjtc/files/files/forms/firearms/LEOSA-handout.pdf

 

[biku324]

I prefer a standard NM CCL. I really don't go many places by car to states without reciprocity, so no big deal.

 

[Baxter6551]

My dept requires same course as active. Only allow one gun by serial number for record. I generally ask to shoot one type and the other type for non record score. I can at least then say that I shot both a semi auto and a revolver during the qual. Out of state I usually carry the one I qualified with.

 

[xb40]

LEOSA

Are you guys required to shoot the same qualifications course as the ones you shot before you retired. Pistol and revolver is listed on the qual card. This course takes place in Tennessee and quite a few travel from other states and agencies, state and federal.I have gotten to old to travel that far. Our qualifications consist of federal, state, and local officers. Other states, Florida, Georgia, California just to mention a few. Each uses there departments standards. Pistols and revolvers must be shot if the individual is going to be qualified to carry either.

 

[BE Mike]

Are you guys required to shoot the same qualifications course as the ones you shot before you retired. Pistol and revolver is listed on the qual card. This course takes place in Tennessee and quite a few travel from other states and agencies, state and federal.I have gotten to old to travel that far.

My agency doesn't support LEOSA qualifications. I have been told that you have to qualify in your state of residence. I don't travel much anymore. I keep the LEOSA current because it is fairly convenient and there is no cost. I actually shoot once a week at a commercial indoor range that has programmable targets and courses. It keeps me fairly sharp and is my only form of recreation these days. I have a shooting buddy who is into guns and goes with me to the same indoor range.

 

[Lonestar57]

The LEOSA carry law was passed in support for honorably retired law enforcement officers in the ability to protect themselves and their families while in retirement. It was left up to the individual States to enact the requirements and that's where the wheels came off the thing. It was a good and needed law, but some States and LE Agencies went all out way overboard by passing some ridiculously difficult shooting proficiency testing including classroom study, day and night shooting, and multiple weapon requirements and restrictions. It was never meant to be that complicated of a process.

 

[CH4]

Gotta love NV's LEOSA qualification requirements:

Just did my annual qual last week.
One only needs to qualify with a gun of his/her choice, auto or revolver, which allows them to carry any "handgun" they desire.

 

[gjgalligan]

50 round daylight course from 3, 5, 7, 15, and 25 yards positions. Single hand strong and weak, 2 hand strong and weak, kneeling barricade and standing barricade positions are incorporated.



Be safe.

Just wondering if there is any exception for someone that may be in a wheelchair or have a bad leg or back that would not allow a kneeling position?

 

[cololab]

My LEOSA qual is next month. It is ridiculously easy. 20 rounds total, no reloading on the clock, start from the low ready, 3,5, and 7 yards. No classroom.[/QUOTE]

Mine was last March. I'll just say it was significantly less challenging that what the OP had to endure.

 

[Sgt. Buzzard]

I qualify LEOSA in Virginia, so Virginia rules. Which is you qualify once a year with each gun you carry. I hold it down to two, G42 & S&W 442. If you have a Virginia carry permit it covers any gun for five years. I keep thinking about that too, but LEOSA covers everywhere.

I was on the job in NJ and before President Bush signed HR 218 the State Police issued retired police carry permits. What a cluster puck that was.

 

[31FordA]

I don't think LEOSA qual's in PA are too difficult. If there was anything too stupid my old partner would tell me about it. I think his last qual took about 30 minutes for two guns (pistol and revolver).

I have my state qual for work coming up in two weeks. 60 rounds at 3,5,7,10,15&25 yards. This year will be more entertaining than normal as I will be shooting the course with a broken foot. Fortunately they got rid of the kneeling a few years back, and the barricades are "simulated" (aka imaginary). I look forward to doing LEOSA quals in less than 5 years.