Prepping to pass onerous qualification test in New Jersey

[WR Moore]

OK, the private citizen data base has 27 yards as the current maximum range someone has had to use deadly force at. I'm not aware of the details of that incident, but for most, seeking cover would take priority over presenting the firearm. The average distance is 5 yards. So, demonstrating some degree of competence at 25 yards is a reasonable requirement. As to someone not being a threat at that distance, why does the state have the requirement????

The repeated use of the kneeling position is puzzling, but they do offer standing as a option for some stages. Being 76, I'm not as ah, supple as I was even 10 years ago. A few suggestions for assuming kneeling: Move the gun side foot one step backwards and then kneel. Taking a cane along to both help you get up & down wouldn't hurt. Practice the process before qualification.

The stage that seems most problematical to me-so far as shooting is concerned- is the 5 second 3 rounds at 15 yard stage. I'd like to see a definition of "secured holster".

 

[smoothshooter]

What about the guy or gal that just wants to target shoot in the back yard with a .22 Or maybe he wants to squirrel hunt. Hell maybe he just likes to collect old revolvers because he’s a history buff. In NY he needs the pistol permit just to own a handgun. Same cost, same qualifications, same training etc. Just to shoot a squirrel……… it’s the equivalent of me having to go to school and drive as well as Richard Petty just so I can buy a new Hemi Challenger.

Harassment from the State is all it is.
The goal is to have as few people qualify for a CC Permit as possible. And then if the permit holder ever has to show or shoot his gun NJ will pull out all the stops to prove that the Permit Holder violated one or more of the training requirements so they can beat him over the head with that too.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

One or two hand hold? If one hand, gangsta or up an down? Draw from pocket or mexican carry or do you have to use a holster? More importantly do you have to qualify from a moving vehicle for the drive by or road rage scenarios. Makes a difference ya know....

 

[Oldsalt66]

This is the eventual result when folks who insist on training standards before they're allowed to carry a firearm for self defense have their way.

Here in Florida we have millions of concealed firearms license holders whose only "qualification" requirement was to take a short class and fire a single round and have it exit the barrel.

Since July 1st, licenses are optional and there are no more license or training requirements at all and still no blood in the streets or public safety issue.

Qualification requirements are simply impediments to "shall not be infringed".

Edit:

The ranges I frequent are also frequented by large numbers of elderly folks and people of all ages in wheel chairs.

It certainly appears the State of New Jersey is illegally discriminating against the elderly, and Americans with disabilities, when it comes to exercising their right to bear arms in their defense...the very folks who need it most.

 

[smoothshooter]

It is a fact that the majority of people that were successfully shot ( good and bad ) and possibly killed were hit by people with no gun training at all.
My skill level is in the upper percentile due to a lifetime of competition, hunting, and training, and shooting for fun. Do I wish there were more people like me or better carrying guns? Sure. Is it a realistic expectation? Not even close.

 

[bushmaster1313]

How much proficiency does a woman need to shoot a man that is on top of her attempting to rape her?

MOR (Minute Of Rapist)

 

[bushmaster1313]

I would think the maximum allowed qualification would be to obtain a certification from an NRA instructor that the person has a basic ability to safely operate a firearm. I took a First Step course decades ago and I still remember being taught to use the decocker lever and not to use the trigger to drop the hammer on a loaded chamber.

 

[rwsmith]

My wife and I just went.....

...for our permits in a gun-friiendly state. I told my son who wants to get his also that the test was a piece of cake. The course, the test (if you don't overthink anything) and the shooting could be handled by just about anybody.

The requirements you tell us about are very stringent and will probably eliminate a lot of people who SHOULD be allowed to carry according to the constitution. In what self defense scenario will all of that be required? I couldn't shoot on one knee without a prop to help me down and up and it would take time to do both. My most likely defensive position would probably be lying down.

 

[Bald1]

This is the eventual result when folks who insist on training standards before they're allowed to carry a firearm for self defense have their way.

Here in Florida we have millions of concealed firearms license holders whose only "qualification" requirement was to take a short class and fire a single round and have it exit the barrel.

Since July 1st, licenses are optional and there are no more license or training requirements at all and still no blood in the streets or public safety issue.

Qualification requirements are simply impediments to "shall not be infringed".

Edit:

The ranges I frequent are also frequented by large numbers of elderly folks and people of all ages in wheel chairs.

It certainly appears the State of New Jersey is illegally discriminating against the elderly, and Americans with disabilities, when it comes to exercising their right to bear arms in their defense...the very folks who need it most.

I wish I could like this more than once. If you give an inch THEY will take a mile. No compromises. Not ow not never!!!!!!

 

[BE Mike]

This course is not onerous. It is almost identical to the one I (and many others) must shoot every year to maintain my LEOSA qualification.

None of the guns I shoot has a decocking lever but suspect that requirement applies only to guns equipped with such in the instant case.

Re: kneeling, it is made very clear that you must and the instructors will NOT assist you in getting down or standing up. That said, the gun is not drawn until you are “down” and is reholstered before getting “up” in an attempt to minimize the chances of negligent discharge.

I am 74, have shot this course for decades, and have never had a problem.

Be safe.

But I thought that LEO's can't shoot! How can an old retired LEO pass this course?

 

[The Big D]

To be truthful…

…I used to shoot 300/300 consistently. Nowadays typically in the 285 range.

Seems I occasionally throw a shot(s) outta the 10 zone. That does disappoint.

Be safe.

 

[Oldsalt66]

I wish I could like this more than once. If you give an inch THEY will take a mile. No compromises. Not ow not never!!!!!!

I focused on my home state of Florida, but there are, so far, 27 states in which permitless carry, without training requirements, has been adopted without creating public safety issues.

Just a moment...

 

[Mbrgr1]

A little muggy down here................

I think it would be easier to move to another state..

But the test is a little easier, here is the long list of rules.....


21 or older? You're good.

 

[BE Mike]

Well, here in Florida many people that go to the range to shoot are ok, not great but ok.
Bottom line is the huge change in US society, gone are the days where just about everyone grew up with and using guns. No training by Dad, grandad , uncles or older brothers. Military service is about gone so none to little there. Grandson in Navy said he would have To Pay To Qualify with M-4 and whatever 9 mm. He could teach the class since he’s my grandson. lol

I frequent a local commercial indoor range once a week. Most people who come to shoot are terrible. On the positive side, at least they're trying to do something about it. Unfortunately, without competent instruction, they'll progress very slowly.

 

[tmd17]

And there in lies the problem with proficiency tests. A blue state can jack up the requirements to the point where it's almost impossible to pass for most people.

For that matter they can jack up the educational requirements to the point where a law degree is required to pass the written test.

Or they can make the required course so expensive that few can afford it.

Something I have not seen anyone comment on yet. The discretion allowed in the test.

From the OP's post detailing the requirments:

"...Multiple targets may be
used at the discretion ...

...Reloading may take place at the discretion ...

... discretion may be used...

...the sequence of rounds fired at a
given distance may be altered...

...discretion of the certified firearms instructor during any
phase...."

Lots of discretion to twist things in the direction of a failing score should the examiner be inclined.

 

[smoothshooter]

How much is all this going to cost you?

 

[adwjc]

NJ Requirements

This is similar to the NJ RPO (Retired Police Officer) requirements for the their state retired permit (not LEOSA).

The RPO has to qualify twice a year and has some privileges over the LEOSA retired carrier.

 

[press-1-for-english]

I also live under Murphy's Laws. I plan on using my Model 10-8 to qualify since I shoot the best with it. On the advise of my lawyer I am not applying for a CCW until he does. Everything will have to be finalized before he applies. I await his notification. I have no problem shooting at 25 yards since I have practiced at that distance but I would rather not.

 

[press-1-for-english]

How much is all this going to cost you?

My buddy who has a permit told me it cost him +/- $400.00 between application fees and paying for the qualification course at the local firing range.

 

[Rodan]

On the advise of my lawyer I am not applying for a CCW until he does.

Huh??