Discuss the Bodyguard 2.0 thumb safety

Johnny5.0 said:
Describe the video. Is it the Wilson Combat one?


If so many of the scenarios he is describing would not happen with a pocket carry ccw firearm. If I draw my weapon I want that safety off. He is also talking about a safety that is easy to flick off quickly and specifically mentioning the sig which has no trigger safety. He mentioned a senario where someone was shot re holstering. Very Very rare and I think he said it was with a sig. He was also mentioning bad guys taking a gun away from a cop and not knowing how to fire it with the safety on. They wont even know we have a firearm till we draw and if so you better have it ready to fire. If you want the safety get it but you better be able to turn it off in your pocket before you draw on a bad guy.


I think with the BG2.0 safety there is more of a chance of the user needing to fire and not being able to turn the safety off in time or forgetting it was on.

The only reason I can think of why people are wanting a safety on the BG2.0 is because they are pocket carrying without a holster. Still not smart though IMO.
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It's not rocket science, and 1911 owners, Beretta 92, CZ 75, our U.S. military with their Glock 19x and P320s, and a plethora of other militaries and law enforcement have been carrying and actually utilizing handguns with safeties for decades now in real self-defense shootings, wars, conflicts, and police encounters. They all train to swipe off the safety during the draw. It's not hard to do or as complicated as many in this thread are disingenuously trying to make it seem. You're statistically much, much, much more likely to have a negligent or even accidentally discharge than anyone's going to be in a fast-draw gun fight. Even then, it's not time-consuming to click the safety off from the time the gun leaves the pocket and is presented on target... Real-life military, law enforcement, and 1911 owners have been doing for decades in real gun fights, as opposed to a lot of the internet "experts" that live in the comfort of 1st world countries and have never shot anyone other than their mouth and paper.

Heck, one more point. Someone who's drawing from the pocket has more time to swipe a safety off compared to someone that's drawing from the belt. If U.S. law enforcement agencies around the countries can successfully disengage one, or two in many cases, retention points on their duty holster before drawing their gun, then it should not be hard for able bodied and mind person to simply move their thumb in a downward motion while drawing their pistol.
 
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At the end of the day, the manual safety variant of the original BG 380 sold well enough for S&W to offer one in the BG 2.0.

Judging by the non-SD9/40 series S&W pistols that are on CA's stupid approved handgun roster, it looks like a manual safety could help in possibly getting the BG 2.0 on that roster.
 
Bla Bla Bla.

Get a safety if you want one and it makes you feel all wet, or don't get one. It's as simple as that.

In most cases anyone who tries to convince you to get what they use is an insufferable c-word.

The biggest turn off with this community is that most feel they need to justify their purchases, and they feel the need to convince the rest of the world that this is the way and the only way.

So childish, and mostly based on feelings. Reminds me of arguing with liberals.
 
Well Armed said:
It's not rocket science, and 1911 owners, Beretta 92, CZ 75, our U.S. military with their Glock 19x and P320s, and a plethora of other militaries and law enforcement have been carrying and actually utilizing handguns with safeties for decades now in real self-defense shootings, wars, conflicts, and police encounters. They all train to swipe off the safety during the draw. It's not hard to do or as complicated as many in this thread are disingenuously trying to make it seem. You're statistically much, much, much more likely to have a negligent or even accidentally discharge than anyone's going to be in a fast-draw gun fight. Even then, it's not time-consuming to click the safety off from the time the gun leaves the pocket and is presented on target... Real-life military, law enforcement, and 1911 owners have been doing for decades in real gun fights, as opposed to a lot of the internet "experts" that live in the comfort of 1st world countries and have never shot anyone other than their mouth and paper.

Heck, one more point. Someone who's drawing from the pocket has more time to swipe a safety off compared to someone that's drawing from the belt. If U.S. law enforcement agencies around the countries can successfully disengage one, or two in many cases, retention points on their duty holster before drawing their gun, then it should not be hard for able bodied and mind person to simply move their thumb in a downward motion while drawing their pistol.
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The first three guns you listed are single action hammer fired pistols without all the internal safeties that striker fired guns have. Military and police also open carry and everyone knows they have a firearm. Its not rocket science to see the differences.


Tell me how someone drawing from a pocket has more time? Im sure you can make up a scenario just like I could make up one to oppose it. Would it not be an emergency where you need to act quick if you have to draw your firearm? Maybe if you somehow felt threatened before an incident you could reach into your pocket and try to flick off that tiny safety that does not come off very easy. Not a 1911 style or M&P full size style. Im sure you practiced 1000's of times though and under high stress you can get that safety off fast.



Like mentioned before if you like the safety carry one IDC.


My message from before I deleted to combine.
I just see more downsides to the BG2.0 safety then positives. I also dont understand how the weight of the trigger matters if its in a safe holster that guards the trigger. 4lbs is not a hair trigger or anything. I dont see any scenario where I would use it.
 
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Picked mine up yesterday and unfortunately, the no safety one was not available anywhere in my area. Not to worry, if you don't want a safety, I don't see how this one can be engaged accidently. I cannot go from safe to fire with my strong hand as one would with a 1911 type safety. I have to bring my other hand over and disengage if from the top. I don't seen anyone with any firearm training accidently pulling this trigger either. It is considerably better than the original BG .380, but it is no target type trigger either.
 
This safety will never be "accidentally" engaged. Mine is well broken in at this point and I can easily sweep it off as I draw but even so, it still is biased to be harder to engage then disengage.

I have never understood the thinking that a 1911 safety is great but any other similar safety is somehow going to get you killed. Makes zero sense. As to the poster above who says "well the first one is a single action hammer gun" so a safety makes sense. I have always been in the camp that the striker fired gun is a lot closer in functionality to a cocked and locked 1911 then it is to a TDA firearm. Claiming a bunch of internal safeties as the magic difference is pretty much nonsense. Any series 80 style 1911 has "internal safeties" as well and nobody disregards the manual safety because of a firing pin block.

Carry what you want, train with what you have. It is a pretty fullproof recipe. I watch these videos where the reviewer takes it right out of the box and starts having malfunctions and his response to criticism is that "well that is how most guys will do it" is crazy.

Nobody in mil or le takes a gun out of the box and carries it. Nobody. There is a reason for that. Not to quote your mother but if your friends walked off a cliff would you do it too? I don't care how stupid people buy guns and use them, I care how I use them.

Back to manual safeties. I like kydex holsters that completely cover the trigger guard for striker fired guns. That is a great safe way to carry or store loaded striker guns. I also have/had multiple "gun vault" style boxes for the storage of ready use home defense guns. I don't like reaching into one of those and grabbing a striker gun that is just sitting there. It is too easy to fumble the grab so in those boxes I either put a Glock in a holster or just go hammer fired. I don't want a holster inside a lockbox so my ready use gun vault firearms tend to be hammer fired CZ's, Berettas, or HK's and not any of my Glocks, 320's, etc.

In a holster I have little issue not having a safety on a striker gun. There are times, such as noted above, that a gun will sit in place loaded outside of a holster. I don't like strikers without safeties for that purpose.

I would buy either version of the BG2.0. I would alter the way I store/use them as needed based on my explanation above. As in everything, that is my rationale. It doesn't have to be yours. I have had 1911's, HP's, and such since I was a kid. Sweeping off a safety is a training issue nothing more. If that is problematic to you then don't buy a gun with a safety. There is no moral high ground here.
 
The 1911 safety is OK because its super easy to disengage. Still another step you must practice besides just pulling the trigger.

The striker fired guns also have to pull back on the striker some before releasing it unless you have a timney trigger.
The 1911 triggers are usually a lighter pull vs a striker gun and more susceptible to going off when dropped. The 80 series fps adds another layer of safety but most people prefer the 70 series guns.



pedropcola said:
I have never understood the thinking that a 1911 safety is great but any other similar safety is somehow going to get you killed. Makes zero sense. As to the poster above who says "well the first one is a single action hammer gun" so a safety makes sense. I have always been in the camp that the striker fired gun is a lot closer in functionality to a cocked and locked 1911 then it is to a TDA firearm. Claiming a bunch of internal safeties as the magic difference is pretty much nonsense. Any series 80 style 1911 has "internal safeties" as well and nobody disregards the manual safety because of a firing pin block.
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Not true. Some striker fired guns (not Glock) are fully tensioned. That is a fact.

As for 1911 being super easy, I find most safeties are pretty easy including the BG2.0. It was stiff at first so I used my head and did the rational thing. Cleaned the gun of preservative and then worked the safety a bunch of times in front of the TV. I didn't count but it was probably a couple hundred times in the 10 to 20 minutes I did it. It smoothed out nicely and now is easily swept off with no effort. My 365's also have the MS so it is just something I do with my carry guns. No big deal.

All of that is a bunch of words that mimic what I said above. A safety is ok on a 1911 but you think it will get you killed on another gun. Nonsense. If you personally can't reliably work the safety then pick a different gun. Don't tell others that you are absolutely positive they can't work a safety either. That is retarded thinking. You have a preference. I respect your preference, I won't convince you otherwise nor will I try. If you tell me it will get me killed that is when I push back on nonsense.

I am glad they made an option you prefer.
 
I always thought that safety's were to reduce negligent discharges if the trigger is somehow depressed unwantedly. I don't see a hinged trigger as anything resembling a safety. Yes, the thumb safety on my Shield 45 has inconvenienced me once or twice because of incomplete training on my part. I can live with that as well as all of my below the waste body parts being intact.
 
https://youtu.be/YOcbXvTZs1w?si=d10OL3x1ZJn_5Tc_
Ill just refer you to the video above again made by an instructor with more experience then both of us I am sure. He has seen people have issues with the safety first hand in high stress situations.



Not all striker fired guns have the same exact operation I know but most are pretty similar. Most have firing pin safeties, drop, and trigger. At least the ones I own. Its not going to fire without pulling the trigger and the trigger safety.




The BG2.0 safety has no ledge to even push down on hardly. I dont know how you can even compare its ease of operation to a 1911. Lets see you do a timed draw and fire with the safety on compared to without.



pedropcola said:
Not true. Some striker fired guns (not Glock) are fully tensioned. That is a fact.

As for 1911 being super easy, I find most safeties are pretty easy including the BG2.0. It was stiff at first so I used my head and did the rational thing. Cleaned the gun of preservative and then worked the safety a bunch of times in front of the TV. I didn't count but it was probably a couple hundred times in the 10 to 20 minutes I did it. It smoothed out nicely and now is easily swept off with no effort. My 365's also have the MS so it is just something I do with my carry guns. No big deal.

All of that is a bunch of words that mimic what I said above. A safety is ok on a 1911 but you think it will get you killed on another gun. Nonsense. If you personally can't reliably work the safety then pick a different gun. Don't tell others that you are absolutely positive they can't work a safety either. That is retarded thinking. You have a preference. I respect your preference, I won't convince you otherwise nor will I try. If you tell me it will get me killed that is when I push back on nonsense.

I am glad they made an option you prefer.
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You have a lot of opinions. That video you posted was the poster child for lack of training on your weapon of choice. You don't understand the draw so you think it is slower. If you carry a cocked and locked hammer gun or a striker fired gun with a safety the draw remains the same. The safety is swept off before you even bring the gun to the horizontal, ie, before you can even get off a shot. If you are pressing out and then trying to disengage the safety you are doing it all wrong. Training wins. Trainers like the guy you are drooling over above don't like safeties because most people who come to be trained won't put in the effort to learn. Or they won't keep training. Hence the easy standard position of "safeties will get you killed" nonsense.

I have had guns with manual safeties (and ones without) forever. On some guns they make sense, some they don't. The original BG had a safety in the exact same spot. It was the same size. It had a bit of a pronounced ledge while the new version substitutes rough texture instead. In the short time I have owned this version I have practiced hundreds of draws. The safety needed to be broken in. At this point, the safety comes off easily. It isn't as big as a 1911 safety but it doesn't need to be. It is a smaller gun and the safety is pretty much perfectly placed to sweep.

You can post a million videos but if they all parrot the same weak argument I wouldn't bother. As any safety gun clears the holster the safety comes off, it isn't slower because unless you can magically clear the holster and instantaneously press horizontal it wastes ZERO time. Watch any proficient shooter with a safety. You can't shoot when the gun is vertical so you aren't wasting time. Physics wins.

Hopefully you aren't one of those people who feel they have to be right because to quote the big guy, "it's just an opinion man".

Buy whichever version you prefer. If you think the guy with the safety is slower than you though you are making a massive assumption and are likely to be incorrect.

Either way I am not trying to convince you to change and your "arguments" certainly have not swayed me so I am cordially out of this discussion.
 
It’s not a training issue. It’s not a drawing the gun issue.
It’s how a person reacts under EXTREME stress issue.
I’ve been in two O S—t situations and my survival skills won, but the shear panic you feel. The fine motor skills go out the window. Your brain thinks of the quickest way to handle the problem in the fewest number of steps.You’re fighting for your life. Those who have been there understand. You resort to BASIC survival mode.
The best safety for any handgun is a proper holster. Period

Just Sayen
 
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I’ve been carrying for over 30 years. On a striker fired carry gun I want a safety. I own Glocks. Good guns for sure. But I don’t carry them. For a gun with a 5 pound trigger and no hammer to thumb as I holster I want a safety. I have zero trepidation holstering my 3953 into my waistband. My Shield Plus gets holstered before I slip it into my waistband. I’ll never feel as comfortable carrying a striker fired weapon in a waistband as I do a hammer fired one. The safety mitigates that. I don’t see it as an issue. I do wish the safety in the new BG 2.0 was slightly wider though.
 
Do you know what is funny about you "fine motor skills" guys? The complete ability to say you can't thumb off a safety that you SHOULD have practiced hundreds if not thousands of times but you completely are ok that your "fine motor skills" will hit the mag release under stress or the slide release or or or. It comes down to you either train or you don't. If you don't then yea, you better pick the weapon with the simplest methodology available to you. Probably a baseball ball. No buttons, switches, big motor skill stuff.

The guy above said it best. "In most cases anyone who tries to convince you to get what they use is an insufferable c-word." Truth.

Whatever way you choose the answer is to practice with it. It really is that simple.
 
smoothshooter said:
Not silly.
Is law-enforcement wasting their time doing weapon-rentention training?
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I am guessing most of us won't be engaged in grappling with anyone, as nobody in their right mind wants to make physical contact with any male of our species above the age of 30.

I can't even motivate my wife to hold my hand after 23 years of marriage.:rolleyes:
 
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