smoothshooter
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I invariably remove the pocket holster from my pocket to insert the gun.
My statement was for the benefit of others who may not be in the habit of reholstering in the safer manner.
Discuss the Bodyguard 2.0 thumb safety
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I invariably remove the pocket holster from my pocket to insert the gun.
My statement was for the benefit of others who may not be in the habit of reholstering in the safer manner.
kbm6893
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I’ve seen that. That would do for me. I hope they make one for the Shield Plus. I’d buy it.
Mine has improved considerably with use.
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Thumb safeties are a matter of personal preference, not “need”. If you like the extra safety margin, get one. If not, don’t. Preaching for or against them is pointless.
Bodyguard .380 safety
1. My BG .380 has a safety, somewhat stiff as others have mentioned, but functional…if you could get enough purchase on the little gadget to move it on and off Safe. It’s as if S&W put it on the gun as a gesture more than a functional feature. And when I called and asked if they perhaps might enlarge the lever so it could be used, they said no. So, I had a bit welded onto it to enlarge the contact surface, serrated and blued it, making it more user friendly and available for use.
2. The no-safety folks tend to ignore the broader range of gun owners who are not highly trained, who are not as careful as they might be when handling, stowing, carrying a pistol. And who might and do leave pistols in places where innocent hands find them or come into contact with them.
The consequences are that pistols are put in purses, diaper bags, glove compartments, center consoles, under pillows and cushions, and so forth, and get jostled against something, gripped the wrong way, etc., and go off “accidentally.”
Or they go off when a toddler or older innocent person touches them and somehow depress the trigger.
I suspect that these types of incidents happen much more often that makes the news…the only time a record is created is when someone is shot, and never when the gun goes off and authorities do not need to be informed.
A manual safety, engaged, would go a long way to preventing these mishaps.
3. As for more experienced and trained shooters who prefer no safety, somebody should research the rate at which they have “accidental” or “negligent” discharges. I assume there are records of such incidents within law enforcement agencies where they occur, but not so much information available from the experience of the civilian population.
1. My BG .380 has a safety, somewhat stiff as others have mentioned, but functional…if you could get enough purchase on the little gadget to move it on and off Safe. It’s as if S&W put it on the gun as a gesture more than a functional feature. And when I called and asked if they perhaps might enlarge the lever so it could be used, they said no. So, I had a bit welded onto it to enlarge the contact surface, serrated and blued it, making it more user friendly and available for use.
2. The no-safety folks tend to ignore the broader range of gun owners who are not highly trained, who are not as careful as they might be when handling, stowing, carrying a pistol. And who might and do leave pistols in places where innocent hands find them or come into contact with them.
The consequences are that pistols are put in purses, diaper bags, glove compartments, center consoles, under pillows and cushions, and so forth, and get jostled against something, gripped the wrong way, etc., and go off “accidentally.”
Or they go off when a toddler or older innocent person touches them and somehow depress the trigger.
I suspect that these types of incidents happen much more often that makes the news…the only time a record is created is when someone is shot, and never when the gun goes off and authorities do not need to be informed.
A manual safety, engaged, would go a long way to preventing these mishaps.
3. As for more experienced and trained shooters who prefer no safety, somebody should research the rate at which they have “accidental” or “negligent” discharges. I assume there are records of such incidents within law enforcement agencies where they occur, but not so much information available from the experience of the civilian population.
agksimon
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I'm 79 and been shooting pistols since my teens, much of it in training classes, competition and practice, but I also carry for personal protection. I've never owned a centerfire pistol with a manual safety and never had a ND. The front line safety is between your ears. If you have a ND, please get more training and place more of a premium on gun handling safety.
reddog reddog
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Buy one without the thumb safety. You probably won't shoot your dick off.
I use and like the safety on the BG2.0
My first introduction to a pistol with a safety was shooting my dad's 1911 when I was 13. I'd been thru all of the .22 rifle and revolver stuff and had been pestering my dad to shoot his pistol. I did well after trying to make the first shot and discovered the thumb safety feature.
A few years later I carried a 1911 in the Military as a wheel and track mechanic in an Armored Cav unit. I ALWAYS carried cocked and locked.
I've had numerous 1911s, and am so used to swiping the thumb safety that it was hard to break the habit on my first Glock. And on a camping trip, a strap from my pack somehow got in the trigger guard as I was holstering, and I luckily noticed a different feel and stopped holstering. Sold the Glock and never looked back.
Lately, I have a number of the plastic M&P pistols from S&W, all with a safety, and all carried with a round in the chamber and safety on, including an Equalizer (a really great gun for old shooting hands). So of course I ordered by BG2.0 with a safety. And as I always have, I practice using the safety with this pistol as well.
Count me in on the Safeties are good side of the discussion.
My first introduction to a pistol with a safety was shooting my dad's 1911 when I was 13. I'd been thru all of the .22 rifle and revolver stuff and had been pestering my dad to shoot his pistol. I did well after trying to make the first shot and discovered the thumb safety feature.
A few years later I carried a 1911 in the Military as a wheel and track mechanic in an Armored Cav unit. I ALWAYS carried cocked and locked.
I've had numerous 1911s, and am so used to swiping the thumb safety that it was hard to break the habit on my first Glock. And on a camping trip, a strap from my pack somehow got in the trigger guard as I was holstering, and I luckily noticed a different feel and stopped holstering. Sold the Glock and never looked back.
Lately, I have a number of the plastic M&P pistols from S&W, all with a safety, and all carried with a round in the chamber and safety on, including an Equalizer (a really great gun for old shooting hands). So of course I ordered by BG2.0 with a safety. And as I always have, I practice using the safety with this pistol as well.
Count me in on the Safeties are good side of the discussion.
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So you’ve never owned a 1911 and you are 79 years old. Got it. Don’t know what you missed.
I guess it is all what you get used too. I carried a 1911 for 35 years of Law Enforcement and became so used to the safety I would try to knock it off of revolvers I would shoot. I'd then realize they didn't have a safety to take off , LOL. One reason I went with the Ruger SR9 and SR9c is I'm used to that type of safety. I don't believe any of the designs are inherently superior to the others. The shooter makes the difference.
agksimon
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I never owned a 1911, but carried one in the Army that was a ***. I've shot plenty of my friends 1911's though and it's fine for them, but I just don't like grip safties.
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Thr trial might disclose just what happened...
A strange event...that might be due to simple stupidity by a "training" officer.
Investigators reveal new details about deadly shooting of Ohio corrections officer
In the absence of details being disclosed in the media, this raises questions about the type of firearm involved...and whether some incidental contact with the trigger caused it to fire.
This does not excuse the fact that a supposed trained officer (1) failed to clear the pistol, (2) pointed it at the victim, and (3) fired the gun.
A strange event...that might be due to simple stupidity by a "training" officer.
Investigators reveal new details about deadly shooting of Ohio corrections officer
In the absence of details being disclosed in the media, this raises questions about the type of firearm involved...and whether some incidental contact with the trigger caused it to fire.
This does not excuse the fact that a supposed trained officer (1) failed to clear the pistol, (2) pointed it at the victim, and (3) fired the gun.
Bumpus13
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*shrug
I would’ve preferred the thumb safety, but the ONE I saw didn’t have it. Once I held it in my hand, I knew it wasn’t going back in the case.
Mine does not possess the thumb safety.
Doesn’t bug me.
I would’ve preferred the thumb safety, but the ONE I saw didn’t have it. Once I held it in my hand, I knew it wasn’t going back in the case.
Mine does not possess the thumb safety.
Doesn’t bug me.
SpitfireMac's excellent post was primarily in reaction to the hostility shown by those who have decided to carry a pistol without a safety toward those who do so with one, and the emotional/psychological weakness that causes that hostility.
I think this subject is very interesting.
Best Regards to All!
BrianD
I think this subject is very interesting.
Best Regards to All!
BrianD
When it comes to Smith semi autos...they all have a gritty feel when you are just pulling the trigger without cocking the gun. But in actual use you feel little to none of that. As for the stiffness of the safety, just get a knife or something and push in a bit on the spring to soften it up. It worked perfect on my example. Just make sure you don't push it into too much, to the point where the safety level moves enough freely to take it out of effective use.
pantannojack
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Thanks for the video. I saw enough of it to award a Thumbs Down
If you bought this gun, or any gun to actually carry daily you will handle, IE put in pocket take out of pocket, holster unholster Etc 100X more than you will actually shoot. That’s a lot of instances where an accident is possible. The thought of not having a manual safety for a daily carry gun seems odd to me.
I bought one today. I did not want the safety as very few of my non 1911's have any type of thumb safety.
The problem was that I have read a great deal about the off center sight issue. I talked the the clerk about that and he let me look at all the ones they had in stock. The ONLY one with centered front and rear sights was a gun with a safety, so that's what I came home with.
After disassembling it and checking it out (haven't gotten a chance to shoot it yet) I find the safety so small as to be almost useless. I will treat it like I did my issued Beretta 92F and the various third gen S&W's I've had over the years and simply forget about it and not use it. I'm so used to 1911's that I unconsciously feel for the safety every time I draw a semi-auto, so I don't think I'll have to worry about it being engaged and not able to fire.
My only other observation is that the stippling on it is like sandpaper.
The problem was that I have read a great deal about the off center sight issue. I talked the the clerk about that and he let me look at all the ones they had in stock. The ONLY one with centered front and rear sights was a gun with a safety, so that's what I came home with.
After disassembling it and checking it out (haven't gotten a chance to shoot it yet) I find the safety so small as to be almost useless. I will treat it like I did my issued Beretta 92F and the various third gen S&W's I've had over the years and simply forget about it and not use it. I'm so used to 1911's that I unconsciously feel for the safety every time I draw a semi-auto, so I don't think I'll have to worry about it being engaged and not able to fire.
My only other observation is that the stippling on it is like sandpaper.
Nonsense. It easily flicks off with a minimum of practice and just as easy as a 1911. It has a 4 lb trigger pull which is light for a pocket carry pistol. Any pistol should be practiced with don't you agree? It can be flicked off easily from holster to action. And of course....you don't have to use it.
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