Pre War 38/44 OD with King Super Target Rib (Letter Received 11/25/24)

As a complete aside to all this stuff, if/when those of you who own one of these beasts decide you absolutely, positively must see how Mr. King and company put it together----here's how to take it apart:

I'd read that the rib is "full floating", and "under tension". I took "full floating" to mean it's attached at the front and rear (only)----------and "under tension" most certainly meant one of those attachment points is also providing the tension ----------and it for damn sure wasn't those two pins up front (although they obviously play a part---call 'em an anchor.) That left the elevation adjusting screw was doing double duty----VERY SNEAKY!!

Step One: Remove the screw.

That's about the end of the process! The tension's gone. The pins up front will push right out---and off comes the rib assembly.

Now, aside from the curiosity that killed the cat, why mess with it in the first place? The VERY first thing I noticed---even before I put the rib down, was everywhere King's milling machine had had its way with the gun was left "in the white" (!!)---which was startling to say the least---but there was not one spec of rust!

Now my gun had clearly spent its entire life in a sock drawer, and maybe that had to do with no rust, but discretion being the better part of valor, it might be worth your while to have a look at yours----just for the hell of it!

My best guess is the King folks treated the exposed "in the white" metal with wax (or hopefully with something better), but Risk Management 101 Remedial tells us the best way to manage risk is to avoid it in the first place!

So much for that! Here's how to put it back together: Put the front pin in place. Install the elevation adjusting screw, and crank it down to the point where the remaining pin hole is clear----right straight through such that you can push the pin right in---and then back the screw out to where all it does is change the elevation setting. You're back to "under tension" now.

A cautionary note: This business about backing the screw out to where all it does is change the elevation is a SWAG on my part----never mind it makes sense (on the one hand)----------and it's the only game in town (on the other hand)! (I didn't use/shoot the guns in my collection, so I can't say for sure and certain that's the drill.) EDITED TO ADD: If you pay attention to what's happening when you remove the screw (like I didn't), you just might learn exactly where that screw is supposed to be when you're done with lessening tension, and back to where the screw is changing elevation----another SWAG that at least makes sense.

Another cautionary note: If you're like me, and take these things all apart for their welcome bath, know that the King windage spring looks just like the S&W cylinder stop spring---and know that the S&W spring will work in the King sights---but the King spring won't work for the cylinder stop. It fits fine, it just doesn't do anything after it fits fine---one of those little "Live and Learn" deals!

Ralph Tremaine

Given a little thought, I'm inclined to think the best control of screw "placement" is to count the turns from the starting point (loosening it) to the point where the tension is removed from the pins---and they'll move. That smacks of "fun for the feeble minded" on the one hand, but it ensures the final position is as was the starting position (which may or may not be exactly right, but it's the best control that comes to mind right off).
 
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As a complete aside to all this stuff, if/when those of you who own one of these beasts decide you absolutely, positively must see how Mr. King and company put it together----here's how to take it apart:

I'd read that the rib is "full floating", and "under tension". I took "full floating" to mean it's attached at the front and rear (only)----------and "under tension" most certainly meant one of those attachment points is also providing the tension ----------and it for damn sure wasn't those two pins up front (although they obviously play a part---call 'em an anchor.) That left the elevation adjusting screw was doing double duty----VERY SNEAKY!!

Step One: Remove the screw.

That's about the end of the process! The tension's gone. The pins up front will push right out---and off comes the rib assembly.

Now, aside from the curiosity that killed the cat, why mess with it in the first place? The VERY first thing I noticed---even before I put the rib down, was everywhere King's milling machine had had its way with the gun was left "in the white" (!!)---which was startling to say the least---but there was not one spec of rust!

Now my gun had clearly spent its entire life in a sock drawer, and maybe that had to do with no rust, but discretion being the better part of valor, it might be worth your while to have a look at yours----just for the hell of it!

My best guess is the King folks treated the exposed "in the white" metal with wax (or hopefully with something better), but Risk Management 101 Remedial tells us the best way to manage risk is to avoid it in the first place!

So much for that! Here's how to put it back together: Put the front pin in place. Install the elevation adjusting screw, and crank it down to the point where the remaining pin hole is clear----right straight through such that you can push the pin right in---and then back the screw out to where all it does is change the elevation setting. You're back to "under tension" now.

A cautionary note: This business about backing the screw out to where all it does is change the elevation is a SWAG on my part----never mind it makes sense (on the one hand)----------and it's the only game in town (on the other hand)! (I didn't use/shoot the guns in my collection, so I can't say for sure and certain that's the drill.) EDITED TO ADD: If you pay attention to what's happening when you remove the screw (like I didn't), you just might learn exactly where that screw is supposed to be when you're done with lessening tension, and back to where the screw is changing elevation----another SWAG that at least makes sense.

Another cautionary note: If you're like me, and take these things all apart for their welcome bath, know that the King windage spring looks just like the S&W cylinder stop spring---and know that the S&W spring will work in the King sights---but the King spring won't work for the cylinder stop. It fits fine, it just doesn't do anything after it fits fine---one of those little "Live and Learn" deals!

Ralph Tremaine

Thank you very much Ralph!

Chip
 
Those stocks are beautiful! Love the large gold washed medallions. The hammer doesn't look like a King but it does look like the work was done well and it fits with the rest of the gun. Great find! Here's a picture of mine on a 1932 44 HE 2nd model.

It's a king short action to boot!
Your second model sounds interesting.
 
It's a king short action to boot!
Your second model sounds interesting.

There's a thread on here about it. It's not near as nice as the OPs 38/44. I can't get over those stocks on his gun! Here's a picture of my gun with the letter.
 

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There's a thread on here about it. It's not near as nice as the OPs 38/44. I can't get over those stocks on his gun! Here's a picture of my gun with the letter.

Nice! The hammer may be the same as the one on the OP's revolver. If it has the same patent number it is as Don says.
 
S&W made that hammer. They didn't do the modifications though.

Surprisingly enough, to me anyhow, S&W would provide their version of a "Cockeyed Hammer" on order--for $1 extra. I've never seen one---hadn't even heard of one until Jinks said so; but if Jinks says it's so----it's SO!!

As an aside, for all the praise I heap on King's work, it ain't all super-duper! The King Cocked hammer was created by cutting/grinding off the stock spur, and welding their offset version (left, right or both) into place---re-do the color case hardening, and ship it. The workmanship on all I've seen has been superb-----all but one-----and that was the one on one of MY guns!! The welding, and post welding clean up was decidedly bush-league!---never mind you couldn't see it unless you looked at the underside.

Ralph Tremaine
 
That is pretty neat, good for you. I had a King modified Colt Officer's Match .38, it was possibly the most accurate revolver I have fired...I can and probably could have done better with my Model 52, especially with eyes as keen as mine were back then.
I have one modified cockeyed hammer that provided to me from one of our fine members, not a King but it works great for my penchant of shooting single action.
 
Jeff, nice catch. That's one beautiful revolver, bet it would be fun to shoot. Always liked the King conversion revolvers. I have a transitional Outdoorsman and like the long action with the modern sights. Larry
 
I bet that King Super Target will be a lot of fun at the range!

Seeing the hammer blown up and close now I don't think its the same work as other short action conversions I have looked at. The fact that where the notch was cut out it was also narrowed. First I have witnessed that before. The shape of the hammer does look familiar and I bet someone on here will know more.

I used to work for George Mathews @Mathews & Son's Gunsmithing located in Downey, CA. George was a very talented, old school gunsmith and did a lot of things similar to Kings. I've seen him make ribs, hammers and sights that looked just like King's work.
 
I used to work for George Mathews @Mathews & Son's Gunsmithing located in Downey, CA. George was a very talented, old school gunsmith and did a lot of things similar to Kings. I've seen him make ribs, hammers and sights that looked just like King's work.

Great post
Did they ever mark their work, or is there any tells that let someone know it's Mathews work?

George Mathews /California Gunsmith
 
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Received the letter today, the King modifications and stocks were done after the gun left the factory, no surprise there. That it originally went to the California "Highway Patrol School" was interesting and a nice little bonus I think.

Jeff
SWCA #1457

https://www.flickr.com/photos/194934231@N03/

Jeff, could you possibly show the invoice? curious ,if they mention the type of hammer

I would picture them learning with a 5 inch gun.Interesting they used a 6 1/2
 
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