4006 Limited — beyond the grail?

[joedegs]

Slide Stop

Interesting! So first off, this isn't a WISCHO exclusive but there is certainly a good chance that WISCHO handled the original import, at least it would make sense that WISCHO handled it.

And WISCHO Performance Center pistols quite often had these Nill wood stocks on them. And you probably already know... but outside of the 952/945 series, S&W Performance Center pistols don't even have screw bushings on their frames, I have always assumed that WISCHO handled this modification since WISCHO guns are literally the only ones that ever had Nill stocks.

The laser etching on the barrel is interesting... pictures almost indicate that the original ".40 S&W PERFORMANCE" is not shown on the top of the barrel hood?

The slide stop is also quite curious, with that hole in it. It almost looks as if it were modified, though I cannot fathom why it would be modified in that way.

It's a beauty!

The wooden grips are a nice touch.

The .40 S&W Performance is still there. I wonder if the lasering is a gun shop, that ordered and sold it? I will do some searching and maybe start a new thread for import/export PCs. As I've said before, this may be the first S&W I get lettered. One of these days something will be the first, just don't know which one to pick?

As for the slide stop, someone got creative and drilled a hole for, looks, I guess. It doesn't look that good to me and I'm in search for a black slide stop to replace it. Or I may leave like it is. It tells a story, "The Germans were always tinkering with these guns and came up with some interesting modifications." Though this is no modification.

Joe

 

[Stentor]

And you probably already know... but outside of the 952/945 series, S&W Performance Center pistols don't even have screw bushings on their frames, I have always assumed that WISCHO handled this modification since WISCHO guns are literally the only ones that ever had Nill stocks.

Quick sidebar--I thought I had read that PC PPC pistols did have screw bushings on their frames (e.g., to accept Nill grips).

I have never pulled the grips on my PPC pistols to check.

 

[Sevens]

Well I have one PPC, but I have the slick Farrar grip on it and I'm not going to take that off. I do recall that there was more metal in the grip/magazine area and I had to trim the inside of the Farrar grip to make it fit.

Makes me wonder what's under the grip of my 845 though, because some of the WISCHO "Target Champions" in .45 have the Nill stocks also.

 

[joedegs]

Nill Grips for Target Champion

Makes me wonder what's under the grip of my 845 though, because some of the WISCHO "Target Champions" in .45 have the Nill stocks also.

My 9mm TC came with rubber Hogue with S&W logo. I had seen other 5906 TCs, or maybe 845 TCs with wood grips and wonder if they all had drill and taps for wood grips. Mine did. I ordered a pair of Nills from the internet.

I like the look and feel of the ones on the 4006 better, though the ones on the TC are pretty nice.

Nill Grips for S&W Pistols

Joe

 

[Erocksmash]

Let's get this back up to the top I'm super curious about the numbers for the 40 limited, even more so the ones that went over seas, we have a gentleman that posted a JINX letter stating 1 of 1000!?!?

I would bet my wallet that there is no chance and I mean NO CHANCE they made 1,000 of these

Just no way

There are 585 stateside, not Target Champ, non-WISCHO 845's... and I swear to all that is holy that I have seen way way way way way more 845's then I have ever seen 4006 Limited.

 

[joedegs]

What I've heard about the total number of 4006 limiteds was that less then 600 were made but not sure how many less then that. Relatively few were exported because 9mm was so much more popular. There was not 1000. Number 1000 was made for a sponsored shooter and that number was selected for a certain reason and is the last one ever produced, it was not a special run like Roy mentioned. The PC shop would make 100 or so whenever anyone wanted them.

Early PC record keeping was not the best.

Joe

 

[BLUEDOT37]

I added back my "lost FotoTime" picture to post #31 that shows the SKU#s for the 45 Limited (845) & the 40 Limited (840 ), #170064 & #170033 respectively.

Then I noticed that the picture in post #35 shows the box label. It's not a standard format label but I does list some numbers, one of which is #670033.

That number, #670033, shows that it is a used gun that was taken back by the factory for checks & servicing so that it could be re-sold, which is also documented in the letter shown from Roy Jinks.

I point this out because I found when I was researching my 4013's "Used Gun" box label that it was a common practice for S&W to change the first number of the guns SKU# to be a "6", instead of it's normal number, on the box label further identifying it as reconditioned.

Here's my thread on it:
S&W 4013 - "U" is for Used Gun

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[Sevens]

It was my understanding that it isn't necessarily "used" or reconditioned but it was "OUT" but under some level of control, and it was returned. One example would be as a salesman's sample or a gun that was displayed at something like SHOT Show.

I have a 16-4 that has a box end label placed over the original box end label, it has the leading 6 product code and the revolver shows evidence of being absolutely new/unfired and the two test-fire chambers can be seen also.

I do agree that these were deemed or perhaps called "USED" but I think it's worth making the distinction that they weren't or weren't necessarily sent somewhere, run through a range session or more and then returned.

 

[Michaelp57]

How do I find one

Bluedot37 , I hear you . Here is a picture of my SD40 which is based on the 4006 . Is it the only one they made PC 40's out of ?

I am currently in the market for a 4006. I didnt even know that this sd40 existed. How the hell do I find one? Everywhere I try to search it's just the sd40ve.

 

[SmithNut]

I am currently in the market for a 4006. I didnt even know that this sd40 existed. How the hell do I find one? Everywhere I try to search it's just the sd40ve.

Ummmm, well you are about 28 years late to this party, these were introduced in 1994...

The SD guns, meaning "Stocking Dealer" models were made when Stocking Dealers complained that Lew Horton had the corner of market on Performance Center guns.... Unfortunately when S&W decided to give them their own PC models (the SD models) they didn't sell well due to the high cost..... Hence not that many were actually made, quantities unknown....

So, you'll just need to watch for them when someone decides to get rid of them out of their collection.

Here's a brochure on these special guns, made in the .356TSW, .40 S&W and 9mm chamberings....

Click on the pic for a larger view...

Enjoy.....

 

[Michaelp57]

Ummmm, well you are about 28 years late to this party, these were introduced in 1994...

The SD guns, meaning "Stocking Dealer" models were made when Stocking Dealers complained that Lew Horton had the corner of market on Performance Center guns.... Unfortunately when S&W decided to give them their own PC models (the SD models) they didn't sell well due to the high cost..... Hence not that many were actually made, quantities unknown....

So, you'll just need to watch for them when someone decides to get rid of them out of their collection.

Here's a brochure on these special guns, made in the .356TSW, .40 S&W and 9mm chamberings....

Click on the pic for a larger view...

Enjoy.....

Thank you so much. I couldn't even find a picture on Google images. I got to most parties late where firearms are concerned. The only ones I've been on time to have been the smith and wesson m&p10mm and sig 322. I do not have a 1st-3rd gen smith yet and I want to fix that.

 

[Sevens]

Not to dash any hopes but simply to yank away a little of the mystery... according to skjos and his phenomenal work and research, somewhere between 207 and 217 units were produced.

If you were to find a shooter grade S&W Performance Center SD-40, meaning some visible wear, no box, but decent looking and fully functional, that item would probably have a winning bid at auction around $1,500 before all the shipping and fees. If you found a time capsule that's basically NOS or NIB, that one might go over $2,000 depending on who happens to be bidding that week.

But anything can happen of course!

 

[Michaelp57]

To be expected

Not to dash any hopes but simply to yank away a little of the mystery... according to skjos and his phenomenal work and research, somewhere between 207 and 217 units were produced.

If you were to find a shooter grade S&W Performance Center SD-40, meaning some visible wear, no box, but decent looking and fully functional, that item would probably have a winning bid at auction around $1,500 before all the shipping and fees. If you found a time capsule that's basically NOS or NIB, that one might go over $2,000 depending on who happens to be bidding that week.

But anything can happen of course!

With so few made, I would expect nothing less. Time to start socking away cash so that when one does pop up, i can afford to get it and not think twice about it. It's beautiful guns like this that make me wish i was more mature in my early twenties. Maybe would have had one by now.

 

[Sevens]

Shameless thread bump!

Of the PC guns that I am fortunate to have I think it might be accurate to say that I shoot maybe half of them.

This 4006 Limited is one of the guns I do not shoot all too often. I've put 500 rounds through it since I have owned it.

But I had it out yesterday along with three other Smith & Wesson handguns on a long and successful range day.



I have been a shooter for a number of years, but I am 100% certain that THIS is the finest single .40cal group that I have personally ever laid down on paper.

That's 8 shots, two-hand standing at 15 yards. The load was a 165gr PowerBond bullet over a charge of Hodgdon Universal. Definitely not a heavy load, but surely good for target work.

After this target (and a few that were similar!) I think I will cook up a few more of this same load to have at the ready every so often when the 4006 Limited comes out to play.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

You can find how much by looking at the forum search since it was bought here if that helps.

Eric

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I think it's in BAD taste to ask prices..........Iffen ya don't post it.......NO one should ask.

 

[Sevens]

I think it's in BAD taste to ask prices..........Iffen ya don't post it.......NO one should ask.

You made the same lame comment on the first page… five years ago.

Go away.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

You made the same lame comment on the first page… five years ago.

Go away.

NO.......Asking rude personal questions is not to be tolerated.

 

[Exchipy]

Yours appears to be much like this guy:


The thing was, this guy simply did not shoot enough better than my standard 4006 (with Bar-Sto barrel installed) to justify staying with me. It became, then, just too valuable to keep. So, it found itself a new home.

Here's what another one, with a bit higher serial number, went for:

 

[Sevens]

That's a great pistol but it's really a lot different than mine. Mine's got a Briley barrel and bushing, Bomar target sights and this is absolutely key — two-way adjustable single action only trigger.

Your gun would be a great speed-based action pistol setup, mine is a full target gun and it's capable.

 

[cherrypointmarine]

I have to agree , my 40Limited is an awesome PC piece . It's very accurate , a better shooter could get more out of it than I can . My 40Tactical is another story . I had an LPA adjustable put on it and it still doesn't compare to my 40Limited . But then all the Limited's are fine shooters .