Trends You Simply Can't Stand...Feel Free To Vent Here

[MelvinWalker]

Inline muzzle loaders... what's the point? Here in Pa, the early doe season allows them, and with any type of sight. The after Christmas season is for flintlocks only. Tends to keep the riff-raff away.
To each their own, I guess.

John

That's because muzzleloader season requires one shot and no breech load and was initially created for "Hawken" style rifles that were popular for decades. The inline muzzleloader got around the old civil war design and allowed for early hunting with a more modern set-up, but still only one shot.

 

[FivePews]

Folks that say my pistol “ runs”. Have never seen any weapon with legs. Lack of ability with the English language for using Functions, operates and other better words.
Young guys at the range shooting ARs and other plastic guns at 7 yards with shotgun size groups????
Guys at shows that ask 100 questions about ammo that has information On The Box of ammo. Happened at Raleigh show when helping best friend, give me a break…..

That's funny that you put it that way. When I hear someone say, "It runs", I know it's a semi-auto. If they say it's "reliable"...then that person owns revolvers...even if he's talking about an auto at the time.

Am I wrong?

 

[MelvinWalker]

Any kind of slang related to firearms such as “new toy”, mag dump, furniture, etc. Also the term “printing” referring to concealed carry. Your firearm is either concealed or not. Carried a Model 64 2” and later a Glock 23 concealed for work for many years. A proper holster and over garment such as jacket or sport coat, untucked shirt should do. Back in the day (1970s) our LEO manual stated that officers in plain clothes must always ensure their firearm is properly covered so not to unduly alarm the public. Guess I am old school but that stood me well for 38 years I was in the business. Proper holster and appropriate clothing should prevent “printing” .

Again, dependent on state law....Some states allow for much more officer involvement if LE sees the outline of a firearm below clothing thus "printing", which is defined by that word in some case law.

Also, in states like Florida where I live, some summers I will go literally weeks with shorts and a T shirt...hard to cover much with that set-up. If you have never lived in a hot climate, it's a different world than New York or PA

 

[Warren Sear]

Folks that say my pistol “ runs”. Have never seen any weapon with legs. Lack of ability with the English language for using Functions, operates and other better words.…..

That right there!

Closely related, but just as idiotic is, "I'm runnin' (such and such oil or other product)". I guess saying "using" is just too difficult.

But what takes the cake are the clowns who use the term "boolets". That just makes no sense at all, and makes them sound like fools.

 

[rockquarry]

That right there!

Closely related, but just as idiotic is, "I'm runnin' (such and such oil or other product)". I guess saying "using" is just too difficult.

But what takes the cake are the clowns who use the term "boolets". That just makes no sense at all, and makes them sound like fools.

The word they use is "boolits".

 

[Warren Sear]

Thank you. I stand corrected.

 

[MelvinWalker]

The word they use is "boolits".

"Boolits" are used to differentiate hand cast rounds from factory made rounds which are "bullets"

 

[6string]

I am sick of the gun industry’s covert war on handloading.

If stores can block their aisles with pallets full of 9mm and 5.56 ammo for the tacticool cosplay blasters, then clearly there is a manufacturing capacity to supply primers and powder.

 

[BB57]

"Boolits" are used to differentiate hand cast rounds from factory made rounds which are "bullets"

Agreed.

However I have been handloading since I was 12 (48 years and counting) and have been casting bullets an loading cast bullets for about 30 years of that time for handgun cartridges from .32 ACP and 7.62 Nagant to .45 Win Mag, 7x45 Ingram and 7-30 Waters along with rifle cartridges from smokeless .30 Carbine, .375 Win and .38-55 loads, to .45-70 black powder loads.

And I have never seen a need to call a cast bullet a "boolit", even when casting and loading for things like a paper cartridge 1859 Sharps, a .58 cal rifled musket or a .45, .50, or .54 Hawken.

As Warren notes it makes the speaker/writer look sound and look like a fool.

I guess if the shoe fits...

 

[MelvinWalker]

Agreed.

However I have been handloading since I was 12 (48 years and counting) and have been casting bullets an loading cast bullets for about 30 years...

As Warren notes it makes the speaker/writer look sound and look like a fool.

I guess if the shoe fits...

Well, that term has been around maybe 20+ years. I first saw it at a Bob Pope gun show in Nashville the early 2000's IIRC? A dealer had a vast assortment of some cast "projectiles to be" for sale...When I saw the sign listing prices, I first thought he had dyslexia or couldn't spell. That was until I learned the difference between "bullets" and "boolits", because he had both spellings on his signs for different products.

We are about the same age from your post.

 

[BB57]

There are several things already mentioned, plus a couple others:

- "Running" anything.

- "Printing" (a fixation on printing is a sure sign of a concealed carry amateur, and I say this as a former LEO, and after conceal carrying daily for the last 39 years).

- The idea that you need to "upgrade" your new pistol, particularly before you've even taken it to the range, let alone broke it in yet.

- Complaining your new pistol doesn't "run", after you jacked it up with a bunch of unnecessary "upgrades".

- Weighing down a self defense pistol or carbine with all kinds of tacticool paraphernalia that mostly just adds weight and bulk.

- Thinking that adding all that tacticool paraphernalia will improve your shooting.

- The obsession with suppressors and referring to firearms as a "suppressor host" as if the suppressor were the major focus.

- Suppressing things that just don't need to be suppressed. Don't get me wrong, I have a couple suppressors and they have their place, but its not a critical item on most firearms. For example, suppressing a precision .22 LR rifle where you already have a 20" barrel and are shooting standard velocity ammo is pointless.

- "Torture tests" whether they are 2000 rounds, 5000 rounds etc. Its pointless, and just adds excessive wear to a firearm. Would you seriously carry a self defense weapon you had not cleaned after a range session?

- Optics ready pistols and the belief that an optic is essential on a self defense handgun.

- Carrying a high capacity magazine pistol and 2-3 spare magazines. 85 percent of armed citizen defensive handgun uses don't even involve firing the handgun. Half of the rest don't even involve the assailant getting hit, and about half of assailants that are hit, stop or flee after being hit. In short, in the low probability circumstance that you even need to use a handgun in self defense, you're unlikely to even need to shoot and in the event you do have to shoot, 5-6 rounds will be more than enough 99 percent of the time. There's never a free lunch and carrying too much pistol increases the potential that it'll be less than concealed. All that extra weight and bulk also means you will be far less likely to carry it from the time you get up in the morning until the time you go to bed.

- Thinking shooting fast is more important than shooting accurately, and more importantly thinking shooting accurately precludes shooting fast. It's the first center of mass hit that ends a fight, not who shoots first, who shoots the most, or who shoots the largest cartridge.

 

[MelvinWalker]

There are several things already mentioned, plus a couple others:

- "Running" anything.

- "Printing" (a fixation on printing is a sure sign of a concealed carry amateur, and I say this as a former LEO, and after conceal carrying daily for the last 39 years).

- The idea that you need to "upgrade" your new pistol, particularly before you've even taken it to the range, let alone broke it in yet.

- Complaining your new pistol doesn't "run", after you jacked it up with a bunch of unnecessary "upgrades".

- Weighing down a self defense pistol or carbine with all kinds of tacticool paraphernalia that mostly just adds weight and bulk.

- Thinking that adding all that tacticool paraphernalia will improve your shooting.

- The obsession with suppressors and referring to firearms as a "suppressor host" as if the suppressor were the major focus.

- Suppressing things that just don't need to be suppressed. Don't get me wrong, I have a couple suppressors and they have their place, but its not a critical item on most firearms. For example, suppressing a precision .22 LR rifle where you already have a 20" barrel and are shooting standard velocity ammo is pointless.

- "Torture tests" whether they are 2000 rounds, 5000 rounds etc. Its pointless, and just adds excessive wear to a firearm. Would you seriously carry a self defense weapon you had not cleaned after a range session?

- Optics ready pistols and the belief that an optic is essential on a self defense handgun.

- Carrying a high capacity magazine pistol and 2-3 spare magazines. 85 percent of armed citizen defensive handgun uses don't even involve firing the handgun. Half of the rest don't even involve the assailant getting hit, and about half of assailants that are hit, stop or flee after being hit. In short, in the low probability circumstance that you even need to use a handgun in self defense, you're unlikely to even need to shoot and in the event you do have to shoot, 5-6 rounds will be more than enough 99 percent of the time. There's never a free lunch and carrying too much pistol increases the potential that it'll be less than concealed. All that extra weight and bulk also means you will be far less likely to carry it from the time you get up in the morning until the time you go to bed.

- Thinking shooting fast is more important than shooting accurately, and more importantly thinking shooting accurately precludes shooting fast. It's the first center of mass hit that ends a fight, not who shoots first, who shoots the most, or who shoots the largest cartridge.

I agree with most of what you said, but not all.

I don't own a suppressor, but it does have a "neat" factor to it...I think a constant barrage of these being used in movies for the last 50 years has made several generations want them . I am not against getting one, I just don't feel the juice is worth the squeeze to me to spend that much. If the "big beautiful bill" passes with the suppressor language in it, I may get one then when it is a simple purchase and not a tax stamp.

As to "optics ready" pistols, I never mount one myself but I do have several handguns that are "optic ready". The light attachment would be more something I may use, but I am not buying a specific holster to fit an optic or a light.

As to carrying spare mags for a Glock or the like, I always would, but that comes from the LE in me...Plus I have four Florida security licenses and I would always carry a full 3 mag load-out if I was working in uniform. I don't currently do that line of work. As to EDC, I only carry the mag in the gun or the rounds in the cylinder.

Torture tests are one of the things I disagree with...Would I ruin a brand new AR15 just to see the max of its capabilities? No, I wouldn't. However, it has buttoned-up some of the more vocal lovers of boutique $3500 AR15's when a $400 PSA lasts just as long in a torture test. I do find that interesting. I remember Shooting Times buried in a salty brine for a month, a Ruger Redhawk stainless .44 mag. and a 629 S&W to see which one fared better. That was interesting to me at the time.

 

[rockquarry]

There are several things already mentioned, plus a couple others:

- "Running" anything.

- "Printing" (a fixation on printing is a sure sign of a concealed carry amateur, and I say this as a former LEO, and after conceal carrying daily for the last 39 years).

- The idea that you need to "upgrade" your new pistol, particularly before you've even taken it to the range, let alone broke it in yet.

- Complaining your new pistol doesn't "run", after you jacked it up with a bunch of unnecessary "upgrades".

- Weighing down a self defense pistol or carbine with all kinds of tacticool paraphernalia that mostly just adds weight and bulk.

- Thinking that adding all that tacticool paraphernalia will improve your shooting.

- The obsession with suppressors and referring to firearms as a "suppressor host" as if the suppressor were the major focus.

- Suppressing things that just don't need to be suppressed. Don't get me wrong, I have a couple suppressors and they have their place, but its not a critical item on most firearms. For example, suppressing a precision .22 LR rifle where you already have a 20" barrel and are shooting standard velocity ammo is pointless.

- "Torture tests" whether they are 2000 rounds, 5000 rounds etc. Its pointless, and just adds excessive wear to a firearm. Would you seriously carry a self defense weapon you had not cleaned after a range session?

- Optics ready pistols and the belief that an optic is essential on a self defense handgun.

- Carrying a high capacity magazine pistol and 2-3 spare magazines. 85 percent of armed citizen defensive handgun uses don't even involve firing the handgun. Half of the rest don't even involve the assailant getting hit, and about half of assailants that are hit, stop or flee after being hit. In short, in the low probability circumstance that you even need to use a handgun in self defense, you're unlikely to even need to shoot and in the event you do have to shoot, 5-6 rounds will be more than enough 99 percent of the time. There's never a free lunch and carrying too much pistol increases the potential that it'll be less than concealed. All that extra weight and bulk also means you will be far less likely to carry it from the time you get up in the morning until the time you go to bed.

- Thinking shooting fast is more important than shooting accurately, and more importantly thinking shooting accurately precludes shooting fast. It's the first center of mass hit that ends a fight, not who shoots first, who shoots the most, or who shoots the largest cartridge.

You covered important points the gadgeteers, aspiring gunfighters, and concealed carry hobbyists should give serious thought to. Very good post.

 

[45Smashemflat]

The only nit pick I’ll say is that I do have a full auto Uzi, and I often comment that it “runs well.” I tend to think of fully automatics “running” like an engine. I guess technically they would be a “one-stroke.”

 

[steve1817]

"casings" - if you know, you know. If you don't, you won't.

 

[Yendor357]

No kidding? Gee, I’ve never heard of Chuck Connors or John Wayne. Who’s this new guy, Chuck Norris?
How do you make mud? I need that explained to me as well.

I’ll bet you believe everything on the news.

 

[justwippet2006]

People that say, "I NEVER clean my guns" or claim to have run 3,000 rounds through their plastic wondergun without cleaning it. Just...WHY??

I clean/oil mine after every range trip and, let's face it, they're always dirty. I can't imagine the mindset of "just put a drop or two of oil in it" and putting it away for a week/month/year without cleaning out the carbon and wiping off the sweat.

 

[CH4]

The belief that any hunting rifle that doesn’t shoot 1/2 moa is junk and can’t possibly be useful.

Same here. I remember when Weatherby boasted about 1.5” groups using their ammo.

Too many others to list, but one I can’t get past are the changes S&W made to their revolvers circa 1998.

 

[first-model]

I loathe elaborate (and unnecessary) mill cuts on pistol slides to make them look "tacti-cool." It just seems like a good way for dirt to get in. For me, clean and simple is best.

Ditto for weird and elaborate barrels with strange twisty patterns cut into them. Especially those finished in bizarre colors.

To each their own, of course.

 

[Dave B (Deep River CT)]

I think the subject is self explanatory, but for the record: What current/modern trends in the world of guns and shooting make you cringe, scratch your head, or just plain say "gosh darn it, heck no!" The older I get, it seems the longer the list gets. Well, no kidding, it comes with growing old. However, there are a few particulars that have been with me awhile and show no signs of dropping off the list.

I'll start with just one. Vertical forward grips on rifles. They are ubiquitous, most notably on ARs. I sold plenty of them over the years, and could install them almost with my eyes closed. They made for an almost guaranteed add-on sale, and while I never automatically endorsed them, neither did I go to any great lengths to discourage the purchase.

Personally, I have tried them, several models on several guns several times, and for me, they just don't work. Regardless of the position on the handguard, they inevitably induce lateral torque under recoil. I shoot much better, with faster recovery, using pretty much any hold on pretty much any standard handguard. I can easily believe that some, possibly many shooters out there have had a different experience with them than me, but I can't imagine I'm the only one. I'm convinced that a whole lot of them are used for the simple reason that they look "tacticool", and have that "operator aura."

There, I said it.

Also, FWIW, I can't stand sesame seeds on my food, but this isn't the place for that.....

Here in the communist state of Connecticut, ever since the Newtown shootings, they are necessary on AR's to get around the "assault rifle" ban, unless you are LE or military. You needed to have the rifle with a short barrel and a forward grip, along with a few other idiotic requirements like pinning the stock so it's not adjustable. This way, they classify the AR as an "Other" rather than a rifle, and you get around the ban. Well, they've since closed the loophole, so AR's are no longer allowed for anyone other than LE or military, however if you had an "Other" before the ban went into place, and submitted a formal registration form with the state, you are grandfathered to keep the AR "Other". So if I take off the forward grip, they can charge me with a felony for possessing an illegal assault rifle. You can't make this up!