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The thread on airport scanners reminded me of a story I read online this past week.

A "gentleman" now living in Melbourne, Australia, spent 6 years at Columbia university in New York. During the student demonstrations at Columbia in 2024 he wrote a number of blog posts about the protests. While he stated that they were middle of road in a political sense, and fair, what recently happened to him has to cast some doubt on that statement.

He recently returned to the U.S. on holiday to catch up with friends on New York. 48 hours before he flew he decided to "sanitise" his social media accounts, which included deleting his posts about the Columbia protests. He was careful to have all the required documentation for his visit.

On arrival in the U.S. he is standing in line at immigration when his name is called over the PA, directing him to a point in the arrivals hall where he is met by a US Border agent. He is taken into a room and interviewed for about 10 hours, during which his interviewer tells him that he not only read his blog posts, but he has printed copies of the now deleted, and obviously offending, blogs.

He is denied a phone call home to his mother, only being allowed to phone his consulate/embassy, who passed on a message to the Australian Foreign Affairs department who contacts his mother. She in turn is quoted as saying to the reporter who wrote this story that there was no reason for him to be denied entry to the U.S.

The end result of the encounter at the U.S. Border was the person was detained for a little more than 12 hours and placed on a return flight to Australia. He stated that he should simply have volunteered to get straight on a return flight instead of allowing access to his electronic devises. My view on the whole matter is that this guy is what we, down under, call a "muppet". He made those blog posts with no thought as to any consequences, and so deserved not being allowed to re-enter the U.S.

Karma.
 
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Whats this freedom of speech we talk of? Unless he was talking about overthrowing the government or committing crimes whats the actual problem? Are we such a bunch of Karens that we can't take any criticism? The current policy seems to be bring the full weight of the government down to punish anyone who dares criticize or disagree with the king. Even sitting members of congress can suffer for doing so.Not our best look IMHO
 
The First Amendment applies to US citizens, ONLY. If foreign nationals find it so distasteful here, then I say they are not welcome here. Only US citizens have the right to speak their mind on US soil. The rest of the worlds slugs can stay in their home country.

I don’t know where the idea comes from that the Constitution in general, or the Bill of Rights in particular, applies only to citizens.

The Bill of Rights doesn’t bestow rights on people; it restricts the actions of government. As such, it applies to all humans.

Are you saying a non-citizen—let’s say a British citizen here on vacation—isn’t protected by the 4th or 5th Amendments?
 
I don’t know where the idea comes from that the Constitution in general, or the Bill of Rights in particular, applies only to citizens.

The Bill of Rights doesn’t bestow rights on people; it restricts the actions of government. As such, it applies to all humans.

Are you saying a non-citizen—let’s say a British citizen here on vacation—isn’t protected by the 4th or 5th Amendments?
Yes, if one would bother to read about the thoughts of the Founding Fathers when they wrote the Bil of Rights, they saw them as God given rights that every person was born with that no government could restrict. There is absolutely no mention of citizenship although you can be sure they had a very good understanding of citizenship. They used the word person or persons not the word citizen for a reason, not because it was a few letters shorter.

This idea that it only applies to citizens is a perversion of their words and efforts used to circumvent the actual meaning of the Constitution and its Amendments


If your fine with the words in the 14th Amendment "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside" to not include the child of a non citizen, your must also be fine with the 2nd being construed to only apply to the Militia. Also notice in the very same sentence the use of the word citizen.
If a person is NOT subject to the jurisdiction of the Untied States, just what authority does the government have to round any of them up and or imprison them.? After all on one hand you claiming they are not under our jurisdiction and the applying jurisdiction over them. That takes so me serious mental and verbal gymnastics to justify
 
If your fine with the words in the 14th Amendment "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside" to not include the child of a non citizen, your must also be fine with the 2nd being construed to only apply to the Militia….

Exactly.

I can absolutely understand why some may not *like* what a portion of the Constitution says, but twisting the words to suit your preferences is to step onto a slippery slope.

A disturbing number of people who claim to be “strict Constitutionalists” have a strange concept of the term “strict.”
 
Just read something in the "newspaper" That the US will review social media accounts for all foreign students applying for Visa. They must set them to Public
Guess I do not understand is, what if they claim to not have a certain social median account, How is the Govt to know?

 
I don't think stuff on the internet ever truly disappears. There are also efforts to preserve everything that has ever appeared on the internet. The Way Back Machine being one. Or, maybe, it was one.

I think stuff just gets harder to access with time and attempts at erasure.
 
People talk about rights, but seem to forget that with rights come responsibilities.

Civics classes should be required to graduate from High School.

Actions have consequences.
 
People talk about rights, but seem to forget that with rights come responsibilities.

Civics classes should be required to graduate from High School.

Actions have consequences.
I went to a Catholic high school. We were required to take a civics class in our senior year. I remember our principal, the head nun, who taught the class, saying to us, "Freedom is the right to do what you ought to do."

At the time I didn't understand the statement, but, with age and experience, recall it and nod my head in agreement
 
Just read something in the "newspaper" That the US will review social media accounts for all foreign students applying for Visa. They must set them to Public
Guess I do not understand is, what if they claim to not have a certain social median account, How is the Govt to know?

A google search on a name will bring them all up.

Fortunately I use my full name in my social media accounts, but misspelt my first name by transposing two letters and not noticing. Still, I have googled myself and there are a few things there.
 
Here's a thought. Maybe he wouldn't have been in such a pickle if he had not tried to delete his social media history.

There are two pretty vital pieces of data missing to make a fuller comment:-

1) What did he say in those blogs;

2) What have Border Patrol been told to look for, or have they been told to "use their judgement".
 
In the event I was privy to his actual social media posts I would or wouldn't become agitated at his situation.

My guess however, is that I would not; his own mom's opinion of whether her son should have been granted admittance into this country notwithstanding.

How folks conduct themselves while guests in my home is a deciding factor over whether or not they'll be allowed to re-enter the house in the future.
 
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When you are here in the US on a visa, you are a guest. Your behavior here should be used to determine whether you should be removed. I do not mean due process or anything of the sort, reckless driving or shoplifting gets you on the next plane out.
Once again the Founding fathers believed that the Bill of Rights were God given rights that ALL PEOPLE were born with and the government could not mess with those. Those Rights did come with citizenship or even have have anything to do with what country you were from or were in. I suggest you read the 5th, 6th and 7th ve4ry carefully. By the way the word citizen isn't in there anywhere. I also suggest the body of the Constitution.

Article I Section 9​

  • Clause 2 Habeas Corpus
  • The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
 
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