Warning! Gas stoves are hazardous to your health

I have a suggested use for politicians who complain about an item common in most kitchens since long before most of us were born. Unfortunately, such a suggestion posted here would get me automatically banned from here until 2525.
 
NYlakesider said:
If a new law gets by the courts we will not have to worry much about this. Starting a few years the state does not want to allow gas or oil heat/ hot water or dryers to be used in new construction. They in their infinite knowledge want to only have total electric house/apartments. :mad:

If I understand it right it will after a time not being able to replace present gas devices, you will have to upgrade to electric.
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This is already happening in Bellingham WA. I believe you cannot install gas-burning appliances or furnaces/boilers in a new house. (Not sure about replacing existing.) I believe it is being challenged in court but not sure where that stands.
 
Just to highlight an important point, I think I should point out the dangerous gas they are worried about is Nitrogen Dioxide (NO2), not Carbon Monoxide (CO). NO2 is bad for your lungs - worse for young children according to the experts. It is produced by the complete burning of natural gas and propane. That's why I took the option recommended by the installer and had my propane supplementary heating unit blower-vented to the outside via an exhaust pipe up through the roof. Seems like good advice to use your gas stove's hood exhaust fan as suggested in Posts 5 and 8.
 
oldbrownhat said:
Most of us "of a certain age" (unspecified!) probably grew up in "unhealthy" environments but our houses were not as well sealed or insulated as they are now, so we had a degree of "ventilation" to reduce the exposure.

Adding a label should be no big deal. But isn't that information in the instruction.installation manual already? And you'd think the installer would also mention it to the homeowner. You can only go so far with warning labels (Propostion 65, I'm looking at YOU) to protect people from their own ignorance.

One thing that might have an effect would be for home insurance and life insurance policies clearly stating that coverage would be null and void if the cause of illness/damage/death is clearly caused by failure to follow.safety instructions. Git ed-ja-ma-cated or it coud cost ya big time.

The question of "credible, evidence-based information on the health impacts of gas-fueled stoves" has to include the conditions of operation and should probably be separate from climate-change effects.
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Adding a label is not big deal. Look at all the California "Everything causes cancer" warnings that are ignored now.
 
Well, I had an electric fire in 2018 (old, utility room refrigerator short circuited), in an old house with an electric stove and a fifty-gallon (I think) gas water heater. I had the house torn down and a new one built, and I insisted on a gas stove, gas HVAC/central heat, but a tankless water heater. I'm not cooking without gas, to paraphrase..........or heating my house in the winter.
 
65-2x2 said:
If you use a gas stove, (and I do) without the hood fan running, it certainly leads to an unhealthy release of CO into the living space. That said, I grew up with the only heat in the house being unvented gas space heaters...and I am an old man. That said, informing people about the issue is not a terrible idea.
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The products of complete production of Natural gas are heat, light, nitrogen, carbon DIOXIDE and oxygen. This is a normal blue flame with individual flame cones and all blue tips. Improper combustion is caused by a lack of air to the burner and causes a yellow flame that is not sharp, crisp or with well-defined flame cones. It acts like a candle in a slight breeze that wavers. That probably produces carbon Monoxide and aldehydes. It also doesn't completely burn odorant causing odors. Add to that the problem of most hoods being recirculating fans rather than exhaust fans.

The proponents of the law sealed gas stoves in a area with three feet above the stove and ran it for 8-10 hours. They then measured the amount of CO in the contained space. It was as scientific a test as injecting a quart of milk into baby rats to prove that milk is harmful to babies.
 
My mother told me she and her mother moved into the house I first lived in in 1940, had a nice new electric stove, my grandmother replaced with a gas stove. Then the War came....my mother said they had several blackouts, power shortages but always had the stove.
Biggest problem with gas stoves is people forget-or don't acquire-the skills need to light them, forget about gas leaks, etc.
 
NYlakesider said:
If a new law gets by the courts we will not have to worry much about this. Starting a few years the state does not want to allow gas or oil heat/ hot water or dryers to be used in new construction. They in their infinite knowledge want to only have total electric house/apartments. :mad:

If I understand it right it will after a time not being able to replace present gas devices, you will have to upgrade to electric.
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Yes are esteemed leader Bucktooth Kathy has/will sign legislation making gas/propane/oil appliances ILLEGAL for new construction in 2030. Where I live the power goes out several times every winter. My gas appliances still work. People with electric appliances are in trouble. And the kicker is backup gas generators will also be a no no. It's really unbelievable!!!!!! Especially considering the governor is from Buffalo and knows what winter is all about. Many people simply won't be able to afford the electric bills. Glad I'm getting the hell out of this state!!!!!!!!!
 
erikpolcrack said:
Just to highlight an important point, I think I should point out the dangerous gas they are worried about is Nitrogen Dioxide (NO2), not Carbon Monoxide (CO). NO2 is bad for your lungs - worse for young children according to the experts. It is produced by the complete burning of natural gas and propane. That's why I took the option recommended by the installer and had my propane supplementary heating unit blower-vented to the outside via an exhaust pipe up through the roof. Seems like good advice to use your gas stove's hood exhaust fan as suggested in Posts 5 and 8.
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Air is currently made up of 19.5% oxygen and 78% nitrogen. Heating it will mix some of the two whether it is by car exhaust, wood stoves, power plants or dozens of other things. CDC says smoking near these sources makes it worse.
 
Yendor357 said:
Gas stoves are not harmful.

That's just some malcontents looking to make trouble.
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Many of those malcontents are politicians, or wanna-be politicos, looking for votes and have to be perceived as "doing something for the ________________" (fill in the blank with latest trending issues).
some of my favorite latest issues are:
For the children
the environment
our future
the future of our children
returning to the American Way
 
mtgianni said:
Those are required to be connected to an outside vent and typically produce 3-4 times the heat or a single range burner.
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You are correct sir but these requirements sometimes get bypassed by shoddy installation or faulty equipment so in addition to the gas issue you get combustion byproducts such as deadly carbon monoxide.
 
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