I got a DENIED the other day...

[CajunBass]

I've been bit by the Sig 365 bug recently. First a 365-380, and the other day I decided to get one in 9mm. Filled out the paperwork and looked around to see if there was anything else I couldn't live without. After about 20 minutes one of the young fellows who works there came up with a really confused look and said..."You got denied?" He was more confused than I was I think. I've got a pretty common name, so this kind of thing happens. Although not this specific one. Then he gave me a phone number to call at the state police and talk to them about it.

Called the state police (Virginia State Police run the background check) and talked to a supervisior. He said there were three assualt charges showing on my record. Well, they ain't mine I told him. He said he'd check. Hold on a few minutes.

About ten minutes later I see the gun shop guy coming with the gun and paperwork. He said "We got an "approved" (or whatever the word actually is) and you're ready. He did some mumbo jumbo on the paperwork and I paid, and headed out the door. My phone rang. It was the fellow from the state police, apologizing for the mix-up. No explanation of what happened, but then I didn't really press it. I had the same thing happen some years ago when DMV credited me with a string of tickets in North Carolina and got my car insurance canceled. Got that situation straight too, with no real problems. When you got a name as common as "Bob Jones" you get used to it.

Yes, yes...it shouln't have happened, but it did, people make mistakes, and it got corrected quickly. No harm, no foul.

Oh the Sig? One of the NRA editions. I'd never heard of it until I got this one.



Now to get it to the range and shoot it this morning.

 

[chief38]

Let us know how it shoots and how you like it. Too bad for the background check run-around, but these things sometimes happen. At least it was quickly resolved.

 

[Bald1]

I know people that this happens to all the time. Their background checks always come back "delayed". No explanation

 

[Telecaster]

Do they even look at the SSN?

 

[Michaelp57]

The nra model is a lipsey special from a few years ago. Same concept as the 2a model that they have now. Only difference is the beautiful color. Good buy. Hopefully they start looking at the SSN from now on and stop confusing you for someone else.

 

[Rodan]

Do they even look at the SSN?

Probably mis-typed, or transposed a number on the SSN/DOB. With a common name, this is more likely to come up with another existing record.

 

[Martyk]

On the ATF form 4473, box #17 asks for your "Unique Personal Identification Number" (UPIN) or your "Appeals Management Database Identification" (AMD ID) if applicable. You might want to look into applying for these to alleviate the confusion with the bad guys that have your same name.

 

[fatcat3]

I know people that this happens to all the time. Their background checks always come back "delayed". No explanation

Happens to me all the time.
As it was explained to me and I understand it, the "quick" instant check one has to fit in a certain parameter. Fall outside of that parameter for any reason, high security clearance, too may overseas trips to non-friendly nations, etc, and you get delayed.
I'm to the point now that I just pay my $, fill out the paperwork, and tell them to call when the silliness is over. Sometimes I don't even get home, sometimes it takes a couple of days. Annoying as all hell, but at this age I don't need anything right now. I'm told you can go through a prosses and get it "fixed" but that sounds like more hassle than it worth and I don't trust the Gov. to "fix" anything.

 

[Alpo]

I have a friend. He has a twin brother. His name is Donald Joseph whatever. His twin brother is Ronald Joseph whatever. Y'all see where this is going, right? Their social security numbers are one digit apart. And Ronnie has a criminal record.

So about 95% of the time that Donnie tries to buy a gun, he gets declined, and has to appeal it.

 

[JeffD607]

There is (was) a guy in Ohio with my exact name and DOB. I found out when he had a heart attack and all his medical bills got charged to my insurance.

 

[CajunBass]

I always put my SSN on the 4473. It's never seemed to make any difference. As a matter of fact a couple of people have told me if you don't put it on there, the check comes back quicker. On the other hand I've had people who have a PIN tell me that slows things down. Who knows? I'm always "delayed" but this was my first "declined." With all the guns I've bought over the years, I can live with that.

Let us know how it shoots and how you like it. Too bad for the background check run-around, but these things sometimes happen. At least it was quickly resolved.

I like the gun. It's got more recoil than the 380 version I have, but I expected that. No malfunctions in 70 rounds mixed FMJ and HP. Seemed to hit where it was looking as long as I did my part. Nice little gun...

 

[2152hq]

Warrant hits on NCIC can often return with a completely different name from that which was entered.
The DOB is also searched and if the same can show a HIT from a person with a completely different name, but same DOB.

To make it more confusing, the inquiry also will search any alias names.
So if for instance a bad guy happened to use your real name as his alias at one time,,the HIT comes back.
If you have an alias, same thing, it may be the name of a person in NCIC pegged with a warrant.
Alias names can be as common as using Jim for James. A slightly different spelling in a last name. Capitalizing a letter within in the spelling of a last name, but then another spelling where that letter is lower case.

The DOB search is set and can be re-set to different parameters.
It can search +/- number of months,,day,,yr from the entered inquiry and usually does.

People trying to hide often change DOB, but use some of the same numerals for ease of remembering quickly.
Searches were often done on switched, reversed numerals and the like as well..

If there's a warrant for someone in the system, the name maybe completely different, but if their DOB on the warrant falls within the parameter of the DOB search,,you get a HIT.

The system searches only the first 3 of the first name, first 5 of the last name, and the mid initial (or at least it used to). Most DMV searches are set up that way as well.
Any name in the system that matches that parameter will show a HIT even though the rest of the spelling can be completely different.

A SS# is not an ID# like a DL#. It is used to compare to a SS#'s that can appear on someone's Criminal Record/Warrant info.
But a SS# is not always on that info. Not everyone has a SS#, nor wants one.

 

[GnarlsR2]

"AI Overview

The NRA Edition Sig Sauer P365 is a special release micro-compact 9mm pistol, first launched in 2019, featuring a Coyote Tan PVD finish on the stainless steel slide and polymer frame. It comes with XRAY3 Day/Night sights, a unique NRA serial number, and a commemorative NRA challenge coin. The NRA edition was a collaboration with Lipsey's, a major SIG Sauer distributor, and supports the National Rifle Association. "

Nice handgun.

 

[DuckBeav]

Glad you got it squared away on the name issue! As far as the P365 goes, I love my two. I have the standard P365 and a P365XL. I carry the standard more. The XL is by the bedside for now. Congrats on your NRA model and let us know how she shoots for you.

 

[wood714]

I've been using the same FFL for years. I guess he makes the call or what ever they do as soon as my gun shows up at his shop.

Picked up a new one Wednesday , and as soon as I walked in he put the paperwork on the counter, I filled it out, we talked a bit and I left.

 

[diver61]

Back several years, each time I bought a gun, my check came back conditional. Big box stores will not release the gun. My LGS, just said don't make me come back to your house for this. I learned about getting a Unique PIN and received one. Never an issue since. I never learned why either. I just assumed it had something to do with my new job and upgraded security clearance (TS-SCI) as it never happened until then. Now that I am retired, wonder if it will follow me? Any security people on here know?

 

[wood714]

After successfully filling out 12 form 1's the ATF sent me a denied email. Filed the form on the 20th, and got the dreaded email the next day. When I put the guns serial number in, I read it off the paperwork that came with the gun. The serial number on the gun had ROA before it.

If I hadn't messed it up I should have got approved today going buy the time line I sent one off last month.

 

[Doug M.]

The only problems I have had have been due to a high volume of checks slowing the system down. I have had a couple times when renewing my CDL that they had to confirm that I was not a guy from a different state with the same name and one year off on the DOB who had lost his CDL for some reason, Hasn't happened since I got my enhanced DL.

 

[Bald1]

I always put my SSN on the 4473. It's never seemed to make any difference. As a matter of fact a couple of people have told me if you don't put it on there, the check comes back quicker. On the other hand I've had people who have a PIN tell me that slows things down. Who knows? I'm always "delayed" but this was my first "declined." With all the guns I've bought over the years, I can live with that.


I like the gun. It's got more recoil than the 380 version I have, but I expected that. No malfunctions in 70 rounds mixed FMJ and HP. Seemed to hit where it was looking as long as I did my part. Nice little gun...

Putting your ss# on form isn't an option. It's required

 

[wood714]

Putting your ss# on form isn't an option. It's required

Unless they changed it since this past Wednesday it's not required. An ATF Form 1 says the same thing.