Banned Firearm

[rrb357mag]

Despite the hysteria around the SIG P320 I will keep shooting mine as always. Never had a problem and don't expect to.
I'm pretty sure that the vigorous military testing, shooting thousands upon thousands of rounds, being dropped, frozen, heated, not cleaned, etc would have found a flaw if there was one.

 

[9Mary7]

I'd love to get my hands on a P250 or two now - they're hard to find these days. I have two P320s and they're relegated to square range duty, with extra care taken once loaded.

Mine were found on G/B within the last two months. Prices seem to be going up but, the one I just bought was @ 299 buy it now price..... added Armory Craft's flat trigger and had my pick of discounted 320 grip modules and magazines. Another one was 350 but already had the flat trigger and both .40 and .357Sig barrels.

 

[9Mary7]

Plus, striker-fired handguns have always demanded more specific safety/handling training than hammer-fired handguns.

This is key! Most all new shooters are starting with striker pistols which IMO are NOT for beginners. A new shooter that learns on a traditional DA pistol or a DAO pistol/revolver can shoot anything, and has the trigger discipline to shoot well and safe. Both my kids learned on my model 67, then to traditional DA/SA pistols. Now one's daily is a DAO Sig 290RS and the other a SigPro 2022.

 

[jc2721]

The only public shooting range on Oahu banned the SIG 320 about 3 weeks ago after a RSO witnessed two "uncommanded" discharges with a SIG 320 from the same pistol ( 2 separate incidents/shooters with the same pistol, same shooting session). It was being used to familiarize new shooters with various types of handguns and basically when the pistol was lowered to the bench it discharged.

 

[Goony]

The current thinking is that a P320 can spontaneously discharge under a combination of unlikely circumstances. Some possible contributing factors are components with an unfortunate alignment in one direction of barely being within tolerances, otherwise poorly formed/fabricated parts in the lockwork, grit or other foreign material getting into the fire control unit, plus perhaps essential springs not being properly seated. You can see how taking a gun off the shelf and testing it might not be productive in reproducing the failure, since a number of different things may need to be out of kilter all at once. The final alleged flaw is the loose fit of the slide to the frame which permits jostling, this last element if it happens just so being the immediate cause of the striker releasing without the trigger being pulled.

The problem for Sig Sauer is that even if the chances of this happening are extremely remote, they're apparently nonzero. The anecdotal evidence is becoming nearly overwhelming and increasingly hard to deny.

One last note. This morning I spoke with the manager of the firearms department at a particular location of a large pawn shop chain. He told me that corporate headquarters has directed specifically that they not pay or allow more than $125 for any P320/M17/M18. Another independent shop advised that they presently won't accept any of them under any circumstances, period.

 

[Goony]

This is an interesting report, albeit rather bureaucratic. My takeaway is that the Sig Sauer representatives were pretty effective and persuasive with an argument that basically went: "Don't believe your lying eyes. The design of our pistol is infallible, and what you think happened is simply impossible." This is the litany the company has persisted in presenting for quite some time now.

https://cjtc.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2025-02/Sig%20Sauer%20P320%20Report%20February%202025.pdf

 

[Puller]

IN MY OPINION LEOs are generally poorly qualified and experienced to handle, use, and work with firearms. Agencies are generally too "cheap" to buy proper accessories to demand/pay for continual training of the officers.

I helped you with the appropriate qualifier for your statement.

 

[SS336]

My club has a different view I guess. I am glad I don't own a 320, I do have a 365.
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Our Chief Instructor, and I have discussed the ARPC response to this potential problem. AS OF TODAY, we are allowing members to decide whether or not to continue using their P320s at the range. Disciplines will make determinations according to their governing bodies. The decision and liability for using a P320, or any other firearm, at ARPC is completely on you. You are responsible for the decisions you make. We will monitor this issue and will modify our position accordingly.

Executive Director

 

[GnarlsR2]

You tube has several unscripted surveillance camera videos featuring law enforcement officers having unscripted uncommanded discharges in holsters. I understand there is not a problem if the pistol is reassembled in accordance with methodology illustrated in the "Sig User's Manual". Manual prescribes that the slide be locked open with the slide lock which completely withdraws the sear away from the striker preventing partial engagement of the striker and sear. If the slide is just slid onto the frame like most folks assemble a Glock the sear is only partially withdrawn and partial engagement results.

Has anyone been able get the P320 to fire a round without the trigger being pulled?

 

[okiegtrider]

 

[Goony]

Has anyone been able get the P320 to fire a round without the trigger being pulled?

Short answer - yes.

 

[bph9]

Well for starters the Glocks were primarily going off due to provable fingers or actual FOD in very inappropriate holsters of the era when striker fired handguns were new. There were some Glocks that did make it out of the factory with bad parts, unlike Sig they recalled the entire lots and fixed the issue.

The 320 is being banned due to a lot of accumulated issues that could have been moved past in 2017, except for that pesky MHS trials charade.

I would like a link to that statement and I could be wrong but all the antics of Glock that I have ever seen , including one that involved my own personal Glock having a defective passive striker safety, were voluntary "upgrades", admittedly a slick and disingenuous term Glock uses for "recall" but nevertheless not mandatory and "not labeled recall".

If Glock really had an actual "recall" please give me a link to that recall as I would be highly interested in reviewing it.

 

[GnarlsR2]

Short answer - yes.

LOL!!.... he pulled the trigger.

 

[mrchick]

Short answer - yes.

I guess it is a bad idea to run a screw into the trigger area

 

[bph9]

Short answer - yes.

Thanks for this shocking video I will be immediately warning all 1,000 member of our club and recommending this gun be banned from our range before someone gets killed.

 

[WCCPHD]

LEOs are generally poorly qualified and experienced to handle, use, and work with firearms. Agencies are generally too "cheap" to buy proper accessories to demand/pay for continual training of the officers. (Many to the videos shows officers who do not understand or practice good gun hygiene -- such as using their holstered duty handgun as a shelf to carry stuff, etc.)

That's a mighty broad brush you are painting with. Police officers come from society. There are many types of people in society. Some are "gun people" some are not. As a 46 year LEO I take offense at your premise.

Such attitudes are why young people steer away from a law enforcement career and why governments don't adequately support those they employ to enforce their laws.

To those that criticize and lump all LEO's together and insinuate they can do better, I invite you to apply for a law enforcement position. Just about every agency is hiring.

 

[Equus]

I would like a link to that statement and I could be wrong but all the antics of Glock that I have ever seen , including one that involved my own personal Glock having a defective passive striker safety, were voluntary "upgrades", admittedly a slick and disingenuous term Glock uses for "recall" but nevertheless not mandatory and "not labeled recall".

If Glock really had an actual "recall" please give me a link to that recall as I would be highly interested in reviewing it.

Do your own research.

 

[Equus]

That's a mighty broad brush you are painting with. Police officers come from society. There are many types of people in society. Some are "gun people" some are not. As a 46 year LEO I take offense at your premise.

Such attitudes are why young people steer away from a law enforcement career and why governments don't adequately support those they employ to enforce their laws.

To those that criticize and lump all LEO's together and insinuate they can do better, I invite you to apply for a law enforcement position. Just about every agency is hiring.

They got to come up with some excuse. After-all those officers pulled those triggers telepathically while holstered.

I got news for folks. It is proven that many gun manufacturers have paid members on every forum to parrot their employers company line. It really isn't hard to figure out who is what.

 

[GnarlsR2]

They got to come up with some excuse. After-all those officers pulled those triggers telepathically while holstered.

I got news for folks. It is proven that many gun manufacturers have paid members on every forum to parrot their employers company line. It really isn't hard to figure out who is what.

LOL.... Naahhh... who would do a thing like that?

 

[Thaddeus Beauregard]

This is an interesting report, albeit rather bureaucratic. My takeaway is that the Sig Sauer representatives were pretty effective and persuasive with an argument that basically went: "Don't believe your lying eyes. The design of our pistol is infallible, and what you think happened is simply impossible." This is the litany the company has persisted in presenting for quite some time now.

https://cjtc.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2025-02/Sig%20Sauer%20P320%20Report%20February%202025.pdf