Question for pocket carriers

[ISCS Yoda]

Since it'sa FACT, perhaps you can cite a source?

Some of us take it as a rule of thumb. It's neither a fact nor a rumor nor a law. It's like how I teach people to shoot Tangos and other ne'er-do-wells and perps, when I teach, which is rare these days. I believe it came from Jeff Cooper but I could be wrong: Two to the body, one to the head.

As for Massad Ayoob, a man I respect and admire, but his head is in cop world, not my world:

If you think there is any probability of your getting in a gun fight and needing 18 or more rounds (and you are not military or law-enforcement) you need a serious lifestyle change.

Precisely. When the balloon goes up, or the fecal matter hits the rotating blades, THEN I'll consider burdening myself with an assortment of weaponry.

If there is a downside to carrying a spare mag please explain.

I have enough to carry, so the downside is that it is a bulky item that I don't believe that I need. YMMV. And I did note that there are those occasions when I think a second magazine is prudent, and at those times I dress to permit the carrying of the extra magazine.

 

[65-2x2]

Are you pocket carrying an M1911A1?

I don't see the point.

I ankle carry the 1911, I pocket carry a Garand. I carry a 1911 in a holster, but I don't like dropping the spare magazine in with my loose change and pocket lint. As I mentioned in another post, in order to keep a magazine oriented, a pocket carrier has to be wide enough to not shift around, adding the second pouch is a freebie.

I do think that the responders have answered my question, no one feels that a dual pocket carrier would be helpful. Done and done.

 

[65-2x2]

No way would I ever pocket carry 2 spare magazines. I rarely carry even 1.
If you think there is any probability of your getting in a gun fight and needing 18 or more rounds (and you are not military or law-enforcement) you need a serious lifestyle change.

The question that I posed was, "Would anyone find this useful?" A simple no would have sufficied. If I wanted to be preached to I would have asked for a sermon.

 

[Smoke]

Some of us take it as a rule of thumb. It's neither a fact nor a rumor nor a law.

But you very specifically said "It's a FACT"

 

[Mahalo_.32]

This is my daily, she rides comfortably. May change when I get my 26x. If I can get away to avoid an incident I am out. If I am stuck and able to use pepper spray so be it. 10 round and 15 in pocket.

 

[Riposte1]

I ankle carry the 1911, I pocket carry a Garand. I carry a 1911 in a holster, but I don't like dropping the spare magazine in with my loose change and pocket lint. As I mentioned in another post, in order to keep a magazine oriented, a pocket carrier has to be wide enough to not shift around, adding the second pouch is a freebie.

I do think that the responders have answered my question, no one feels that a dual pocket carrier would be helpful. Done and done.

In the interest of full disclosure - I feel a dual pocket mag carrier would be useful as times - enough that I made one.

People are free to do what they wish but a good friend's tag line is "Bad things happen to people that run out of ammuniton" and folks who think 18 or 24 rounds of 9mm are adequate do not live in the same envirionment I do I'm sure that will work most of the time, but I look for something that works all of the time.

Cheers!

Riposte

 

[65-2x2]

Some of us take it as a rule of thumb. It's neither a fact nor a rumor nor a law. It's like how I teach people to shoot Tangos and other ne'er-do-wells and perps, when I teach, which is rare these days. I believe it came from Jeff Cooper but I could be wrong: Two to the body, one to the head.



Precisely. When the balloon goes up, or the fecal matter hits the rotating blades, THEN I'll consider burdening myself with an assortment of weaponry.



I have enough to carry, so the downside is that it is a bulky item that I don't believe that I need. YMMV. And I did note that there are those occasions when I think a second magazine is prudent, and at those times I dress to permit the carrying of the extra magazine.

The whole purpose of this thread was determine whether my pocket pouch was a good idea. Most people seem to think not. I respect the opinions of the members of this forum (that is why I asked) , so that was a good answer. I will not waste any further time changing the pattern to accept other size magazines. I am working leather as a hobby, making holsters, and I have made some awful holsters as well. It is all a part of the learning process.

Thanks to everyone for their replies.

 

[jeffrefrig]

Respectfully in answer to the original post, I couldn't use that set up. Even in 9mm, the 8 plus 1 in my LCP type I figure if I need more than that I'm probably gonna die anyways.
Edit for correction: the magazine in the Ruger only holds 7 rounds, not 8.

 

[Phenix]

In the interest of full disclosure - I feel a dual pocket mag carrier would be useful as times - enough that I made one.

People are free to do what they wish but a good friend's tag line is "Bad things happen to people that run out of ammuniton" and folks who think 18 or 24 rounds of 9mm are adequate do not live in the same envirionment I do I'm sure that will work most of the time, but I look for something that works all of the time.

Cheers!

Riposte

Why are you spending time in a bad environment?

 

[Riposte1]

Why are you spending time in a bad environment?

I now seem to hang out with MDs a lot more than I used to - and they don't make house calls

Riposte

 

[Smoke]

I look for something that works all of the time.

Cheers!

Riposte

How many times have you had to reload during a non law enforcement, non military self-defense action?

 

[Riposte1]

How many times have you had to reload during a non law enforcement, non military self-defense action?

I guess I don't really understand the distinction - defending against an attack is pretty much the same whether you are a regular citizen, or a Peace Officer or a member of Military service - not everybody is SWAT or SF and are not legally allowed to attack people. So if you are alone and get attacked, it is not an LE or Military action but a reaction.

I have over 40 years of experience training LE and Military - I always focus on the self defense aspect rather than the offensive (I have done that at times as well since I was tasked with running Crisis Response Team once).

One of the most useful training tools we have, because they are carefully recorded, are attacks on off duty LEOs.

No reloads for me for me though I have been involved in a few potentially lethal encounters - nor in LE or Military (I've been involved with both) but I always want to be ready - I've certainly known regular citizens, LEOs (they are "civilians" too - they are not governened by the UCMJ) and lots of military who needed a reload (usually after the fight).

I take that back, A Sheriff, not on duty (I guess they are never off duty ) and I were looking for a site for his new range when a racoon came at us in braod daylight - the Sheriff shot at it but missed, I shot it and hit, so I needed to reload and did - then again, I had a badge so that might not count

Three local guys, all of them students of mine, got engaged right in the center of the county seat, with a young man who was armed with an SKS that had a 30 round magazine - they shot him 14 times (.40 S&W 180 gr. Winchester Ranger) while he fired 30 rounds - didn't hit anybody but he did damage three cars - after he ran dry they had to wrestle the gun away from him - he did expire the next day.

To be sure that is an LE encounter but I drive by that place regularly and it could have easily been any local citizen - I'd say a good % of them are armed and the assailant in this case was attacking the clerk at the gas station.

I had another student who was LE - but he was defending himself - who reloaded twice during a fight (he was using a Glock 17...which he got rid of the next day!).

Everybody can work out their own system but, myself if I fire even one round, I want to top off my gun in case there is another fight - I've known three people (not all students but all were non-LEOs or non military) who had two sepeate fights in one day. On of them had his gun taken in evidence from the first one but he wasn't charged, and fortunately he had a spare gun (also fortunately he did not have to shoot anybody in the second encounter).

Then again, I've been involved in lethal force research and training for decades - so I would not think that should be much of a shock.

Just Ramblin'

Riposte

 

[Bald1]

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How many times have you had to reload during a non law enforcement, non military self-defense action?

Hell, I've never even had to reload in a hunting scenario.

 

[Riposte1]

Hell, I've never even had to reload in a hunting scenario.

We each have to work out our own system - depending on how one means "reload", I learned when I was a child, I needed to keep the gun loaded - since a lot of the time I was hunting with a bolt action rifle, and a lot of those times it was a single shot, I learned to get another round into the chamber fairly quickly so I might get a chance at another squirrel.

I learned woodchuck hunting to do the same but by then I was mostly using bolt action repeaters (I did hunt a little with a single shot .223 and a Ruger #1 in .243 - both those I kept two extra rounds between the fingers of my left hand (I am right handed).

I once got caught asleep at the wheel when I shot a woodchuck at about 225 yards with the single shot .223 and I just sat there watching it through the scope - I knew it was a decent hit and didn't bother to reload - but the critter had rolled over on its back and while I was feeling good about the shot it rolled back on its feet and ran off and there I was way behind the curve - it gave me another chance a little later and I did remember the lesson but this time he stayed shot.

When shooting a repeater I always run the action and load a new round as soon as I finish shooting - once at a friends field, I fired 3 rounds from my .264 Winchester magnum, I thought I was missing the same woodchuck - when we went down to the sinkhole where I had seen him - there were four dead chucks - two of them died to the same shot - no telling how many chucks had been in that hole!

Just ramblin, mileage varies and we all have to make our own habits - mine is to never leave a position of dominance without all my guns topped off - I lesson I learned from reading Capt, Erick Sykes of Fairbairn-Sykes fame (Shanghai Municiple Police).

Cheers

Riposte