On Thanksgiving, for Italians and "Near" Italians

FrankD45

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[FONT=&quot]To The Italian gang....[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I am sure for most second generation Italian American children who grew up in the 40's, 50's ,60's & 70's there was a definite distinction between us and them. We were Italians, everybody else, the Irish, the Germans, the Polish, they were Americans. I was well into adulthood before I realized I was an American. I had been born American and lived here all my life, but Americans were people who ate peanut butter and jelly sandwiches on mushy white bread. I had no animosity towards them, it's just I thought ours was the better way with our bread man, egg man, vegetable man, the chicken man, to name a few of the peddlers who came to our neighborhoods. We knew them, they knew us. Americans went to the A&P. It amazed me that some friends and classmates on Thanksgiving and Christmas ate only turkey with stuffing, potatoes, and cranberry sauce. We had turkey, but only after antipasti, soup, lasagna, meatballs and salad!! In case someone came in who did not like turkey, we also had beef. Soon after we were eating fruits, nuts, pastries and homemade cookies sprinkled with little colored things. This is where you learned to eat a seven course meal between noon and four PM, how to handle hot chestnuts and how to put peaches in wine. Italians live a romance with food. Sundays we would wake up to the smell of garlic and onions frying in olive oil. We always had macaroni and gravy. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Sunday would not be Sunday without going to mass. Of course you couldn't eat before mass because you had to fast before receiving communion. We knew when we got home we'd find meatballs frying, and nothing tasted better than newly cooked meatballs with crisp bread dipped into a pot of hot gravy (not sauce). [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Another difference between them and us was we had gardens. Not just with flowers, but tomatoes, peppers, basil, lettuce and 'cucuzza' (squash). Everybody had a grapevine and fig tree. In the fall we drank homemade wine arguing over who made the best. Those gardens thrived because we had something our American friends didn't seem to have. We had Grandparents. It's not that they didn't have grandparents. It's just they didn't live in the same house or on the same street. We ate with our grandparents, and God forbid we didn't visit them 3 times a week. I can still remember my grandfather telling us how he came to America when he was young, on the 'boat.' I'll never forget the holidays when the relatives would gather at my grandparents' house, the women in the kitchen, the men in the living room, the kids everywhere. I must have fifty cousins. My grandfather sat in the middle of it all drinking his wine he was so proud of his family and how well they had done. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]When my grandparents died, things began to change. Family gatherings were fewer and something seemed to be missing. Although we did get together usually at my mother's house, I always had the feeling grandma and grandpa were there. It's understandable things change. We all have families of our own and grandchildren of our own. Today we visit once in a while or meet at wakes or weddings. Other things have also changed . The old house my grandparents bought is now covered with aluminum siding. A green lawn covers the soil that grew the tomatoes. There was no one to cover the fig tree, so it died. The holidays have changed. We still make family 'rounds' but somehow things have become more formal. The great quantities of food we consumed, without any ill effects, is not good for us anymore. Too much starch, too much cholesterol, too many calories in the pastries. The difference between 'us' and 'them' isn't so easily defined anymore, and I guess that's good. My grandparents were Italian-Italians, my parents were Italian-Americans. I'm an American and proud of it, just as my grandparents would want me to be. We are all Americans now...the Irish, Germans, Polish, all U.S. citizens. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But somehow I still feel a little bit Italian. Call it culture...call it roots...I'm not sure what it is. All I do know is that my children, grandchildren , nieces, and nephews, have been cheated out of a wonderful piece of our heritage.

Happy Thanksgiving

Frank
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Frank, you could almost be telling the story of my early life also. My mother's father came to this country from Sicily when he was 17. Sundays and holidays were much like you described for me in the 60's and early 70's. All the family would cram into my grandparents small home on Sundays and stay until Ed Sullivan ended. All the kids would be in a pile on the living room floor in front of the TV. Any visit, no matter how long or short included a full, obligatory meal!

Thanks for posting, brings back some fond memories.
 
italian wife

She made apx 8lbs lasagne today to go along with our turkey.
Cuuldn't help have some for dinner tonight.
 
I can remember those days as well Frank. Going through some old photos recently made me realize how we have lost the "specialness" of Sundays. My grandparents came from Italy and may have worked a 70 hour week but they always had family time only on Sunday and they were able to take a relaxing drive to the shore or have some kind of little excusion on a day off. Today, with the benefits of our ever changing technology, we all go 24/7 and life is a blur as all the days of the week just blend together and are all the same. We can stay connected with our electronic gizmos every second of the day yet we seem to have become more disconnected than ever.
 
Frank my life has been a little topsey turvey of late, thanks for reminding me of all the good things all of need to be thankful for, not only at Thanksgiving but all year.

Wishing ALL OF YOU a blessed Thanksgiving.:D
 
My grandparents came from Calabria in the early 60's and thanksgiving has always been huge. Since Its my first year hosting the dinner, the menu now stands at
Turkey- Baked
Turkey-Fried
Mashed taters
Rigatoni in sweet sausage gravy with ricotta cheese and mozz-Baked
Meatballs on toasted bread and shaved parmesan
Cold cut platter (Sopresat, capicola, Calabrese hot salumi, Genoa, Prosciutto, Fontina cheese and provalone)
Rosemarry and parsley fingerling potatoes
And thats just what Im making. Not counting what kind of pastry my Nona's bringing. Italians know how to throw a holiday.
 
We aren't Italian, we are Scotch/Irish with a little Welsh and Cherokee thrown in. However I understand what your talking about regarding extended family. Unfortunately we're expecting a low turn out for Thanksgiving this year. Probably only 70 or 75. With so many living out of state and so many in the military it's hard to get everyone together for the Holidays.
 
A favorite memory was walking into Nana's house and seeing homemade ravioli set on almost every flat surface, drying. When she finally cooked them they were the best thing I ever tasted.

My grandfather did not drive a car. He drove "the machine". I remember him saying: "You sit onna the porch. I getta the machine out of the garage." The refrigerator was an "ice-a-box". How I miss their accents.
 
I remember my grandparents house being the center of the universe. I swear, that woman could make a rock taste good if she had to. I really miss her! Our family shared many of the traditions mentioned above. We will still be getting together at my parents house on Thanksgiving. Should be about 20 of us. Everybody brings something! I am looking forward to it.

TennTony;
My grandfather did not drive a car. He drove "the machine". I remember him saying: "You sit onna the porch. I getta the machine out of the garage." The refrigerator was an "ice-a-box". How I miss their accents.

YES!!! My grandparents called them "the machine, and the Ice box too!!!



I hope everyone here has a great day with family and friends on Thankgsgiving, and please keep in mind all those who are away from their families, protecting us, so that we may be with ours! That is one of the things I am so grateful for this and every day.


WG840
 
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Brooklyn and Queens consisted mostly of ethnic neighborhoods and the NYC civil service jobs were also inhabited by a majority of a certain ethnicity. Even though the Irish and the Italians were always scrapping, they lived and prayed together and married each other. In the 60's the Dept. of Sanitation was still mostly an "Italian job" and I quickly learned a lot of curse words and expressions which I still use today. I was also invited once to a Christmas Eve Fish Dinner and will never forget that wonderful experience.
 
My maternal grandparents came from Calabria also, though a lot earlier, the early 20's. Ralph was 26, Concetta 16 :eek:

My Great Grandparents came from a tiny town in the mountains of Calabria; story goes it was 20 km from the closest railroad and there were no roads.

The OP pretty much described my early life up until around the time I left to enter the Service and my grand parents passed away. Now the family only gets together once in awhile, its sad. I recall all of those wonderful meals Grandma would make and the smell of her kitchen.

I am, to the best of my knowledge, the only one that managed to get her full recipe for the Sauce. I cooked it once for a group at work, took all day, but my pot was empty at the end of the night and the others who brought sauce still had plenty :) No other sauce tastes like it.

My wife makes her sauce with her Mother's recipe; it's good, but they aren't Italians (they once had a housekeeper with northern Italian roots supposedly), they really have no idea, but I keep a quiet smile when they say how their sauce is "authentic"... If they only knew. I know when not to start a fight.
 
Thanksgiving at my Italian grandmother was actually pretty traditional with turkey, sweet potatoes, stuffing, etc. Christmas was another story; there is some tradition with seven kinds of fish that included some pretty ugly stuff. I'm not much of a fish eater to begin with but this plate included salted cod and eel. Thank goodness there was always plenty of pasta to go with it.
 
Thanks Frank, that was beautiful. It brought back a flood of memories. Thanks again.

......moon
 
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