Illegal Aliens And Traffic Accidents.

No PC here. I call them illegal because that's what they are. In my LEO career I've investigated numerous traffic accidents involving illegals. I've only been to two that they didn't leave the scene of the accident and that was because they were too hurt to run. The ones that could still run did and on one of the accidents they even dragged one too hurt to run down the road where we found him dead after they got tired of carrying him. I don't know if they keep statistics on our citizens being run over and killed by illegals but I'm sure it would open some eyes somewhere. This is really a problem and it is one I've never seen our politicians talk about. The truth is that we have some people here destroying our property and killing our citizens and it seems to me that it is ignored until somebody gets killed. What got me to thinking about this again is I was driving down Schillenger Rd. in Mobile,Ala. today on the way to a gunshow when a red Nissan truck and an old gray buick collided in front of me. The driver of the Buick appeared to me to be an illegal as did the driver of the Nissan she pulled out in front of. Both vehicles were damaged but not so much they wouldn't drive. Neither driver even looked back. The truck went one way and the Buick the other. Without checking either one I can gurantee that neither had a license, insurance, and was driving with a bad tag on a vehicle that had changed several times since it was last registered. I occassionally make arrests for these offenses and 50 of them will show up at the jail, cash bond them out, and you never see them again. The feds won't help, they gotta kill somebody first.

Huh?
"The truth is that we have some people here destroying our property and killing our citizens and it seems to me that it is ignored until somebody gets killed."


Do you mean that nothing will be done until a politician gets killed?

Back in the late 70s I had a friend who`s son was about to get married. He was driveing to his reherasal a few nights before the wedding was to take place. He got T boned and killed by a drunk illegal. We buried him on the day he would have been married! The drunk bailed out and left the country. He returned a few years later and killed someone else! My friend went to the trial and had plenty to say!
Another time I and a buddy witnessed a wreck. A woman driveing a old micro bus ran a red light and hit a I think, illegal. We pulled over to pull her out of the van that was upside down. It was a spectacular wreck as I ever seen, that van flew through the air so high twirling that at one point you could have stood under it! She was totaly wrong and we would have testified to that, yet the illegal left his wreck in the intersection and vaulted some fences and ran away! My buddy and I didnt bother telling the investagator she was at fault but would have had he not ran!

Nearly 10 years ago my sister-in-law's mother was killed in a bad accident caused by an illegal immigrant driving an unregistered vehicle with no insurance. She had no driver license. Three other passengers in the car survived, but one was left in a coma. The woman was prosecuted and convicted of vehicular manslaughter. I lost track of the sentence. I assume she served some slight amount of time, was released after serving about half her sentence, and deported. She could easily be back in California by now.

I'm torn about the driver license thing. The party line almost everywhere is that illegal immigrants should not be able to get official ID papers like a DL. But since you have to pass a test to get a license, I can't help thinking that licensing illegals would set at least a minimum skill threshold for some of them who are going to drive. My brother's mother-in-law might still be alive if the woman who killed her had been required to demonstrate minimal standards of driver education.

Kind of a side issue, but sociologists know that America is one of the few places in the world where a direct gaze is not automatically considered confrontational. One of the reasons that those who grow up here don't get into accidents with one another to the extent seen in other cultures is that we are constantly in eye contact with nearby drivers -- even to the extent of looking in mirrors to make contact with merging cars, buses and trucks. The complaint that (insert ethnicity here) drivers "don't look when they drive" just means that we are expecting and not getting a form of driver behavior that is rude or even risky in their own cultures. They are probably relying on cues and forms of driver-behavior prediction that Americans haven't been trained to recognize. The only way to deal with this that I have found is to keep a decent distance between the car I am driving and those piloted by individuals who won't meet my eyes and look as though they might be foreign born.

Deadeye,I didn't say or imply anything about any politician getting killed. I don't have any idea where you got that idea. I'm guessing you got a little miffed because I didn't agree with you on another thread. What FT said.

Many years ago when I was a lockheed guard a drunk vietnamese woman took out a gate. I got her out of the car and did find a valid DL. What got me, she couldnt speak any english. I asked around and was told they were simply issued licenses when our goverment brought them over when we left vietnam. This was right after that time.

charlie sherrill said:

Deadeye,I didn't say or imply anything about any politician getting killed. I don't have any idea where you got that idea. I'm guessing you got a little miffed because I didn't agree with you on another thread. What FT said.

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Oh no - I'm not *miffed* at you about anything. I actually really like your posts and have no problem with you disagreeing with me (or anyone else for that matter).

I guess I stated that reply wrong.

You said the illegals were killing people, but nothing would be done until they killed someone.
Since they are killing people - then, using your statement, something is being done about it. See? Not logical.

My point is: Until they kill someone of importance nothing will be done. A politician was that kind of important person that came to my mind.

I really didn't mean that YOU meant that someone should kill ANYONE - Politician or otherwise.

Sorry

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Kind of a side issue, but sociologists know that America is one of the few places in the world where a direct gaze is not automatically considered confrontational.

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I think a lot of sociologists would find themselves very dead if they tested that theory in the flakier parts of many metropolitan areas of the US. Just read your local paper and see how many murders and beat downs start because somebody "did not like the way he/she was looking at me".

We raided a flop house where there would close to 40 living in absolute filth (they worked for a chinese restaurant....go figure), they sat in holding at the jail for two weeks (on taxpayer money) before INS said to let them go. We didnt even have valid names. RIDICULOUS!!!!

I have worked many accidents involving non licensed, non resident, illegals. None had insurance that I can remember. Many involved serious injury to others. A few involved intoxicated indivuals. At least one involved a hit & run vehicle where the car & driver was located shortly afterward.

My question has always been where did they get these autos and how.

charlie sherrill said:

No PC here. I call them illegal because that's what they are. In my LEO career I've investigated numerous traffic accidents involving illegals. I've only been to two that they didn't leave the scene of the accident and that was because they were too hurt to run. The ones that could still run did and on one of the accidents they even dragged one too hurt to run down the road where we found him dead after they got tired of carrying him. I don't know if they keep statistics on our citizens being run over and killed by illegals but I'm sure it would open some eyes somewhere. This is really a problem and it is one I've never seen our politicians talk about. The truth is that we have some people here destroying our property and killing our citizens and it seems to me that it is ignored until somebody gets killed. What got me to thinking about this again is I was driving down Schillenger Rd. in Mobile,Ala. today on the way to a gunshow when a red Nissan truck and an old gray buick collided in front of me. The driver of the Buick appeared to me to be an illegal as did the driver of the Nissan she pulled out in front of. Both vehicles were damaged but not so much they wouldn't drive. Neither driver even looked back. The truck went one way and the Buick the other. Without checking either one I can gurantee that neither had a license, insurance, and was driving with a bad tag on a vehicle that had changed several times since it was last registered. I occassionally make arrests for these offenses and 50 of them will show up at the jail, cash bond them out, and you never see them again. The feds won't help, they gotta kill somebody first.

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The illegals are only here because some "upstanding" business owners in the community hire them and wink at their status. They work cheap, especially when you consider that the employers are not collecting payroll taxes or workman's comp. Many of the ones around here walk, ride bicycles or small scooters (no license required) to work. Sometimes the "upstanding" employers arrange for their transportation. My advice is to carry full coverage on your auto insurance policy. There are also a lot of "legals" who can't afford auto insurance.

oldman45 said:

My question has always been where did they get these autos and how.

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You don't have to have a license to BUY a car. You also don't need one to steal tags off another car.

I had an uncle who was the original Fonzi= pictures of him from the 50's show duck-tail haircut, cigarettes rolled in his sleeve, etc. He went on to become Mickey Thompson's President after a career as his mechanic, managed the dragstrip for him, etc. He even helped design the Challenger, which held the world speed record for a while (unofficial), Growing up around him was interesting, never knew what or WHO would be out working on a dragster in the garage. He helped teach me to drive (the other was my Dad with a perfect record as a truck driver-NO tickets in over 25 years).

Anyway, the day after my wife and I were married (we honeymooned at my aunt & uncle' favorite resort in Baja), he was killed by a drunk, illegal, Mexican. My Aunt spent months in the hospital with broken back, hip, leg (s), etc. My Uncle's brother was injured as was his wife. The illegal walked (well, staggered) away. He was arrested and let loose on bail. He fled and was re-arrested a couple of years later. Released on bail again, and fled again. Never caught.

The investigating officer said it was apparent my Uncle sacrificed himself to save the others in the car by turning at the last minute when the illegal crossed the median.

I have no idea where this will all end. The PC crowd has already had a full glass of koolaid, and a big gulp of the next. I revolves around "America not fairly sharing the wealth", and conveniently ignores the idea these folks aren't even here legally. To the PC crowd, that doesn't matter much.

Even to many of us, the fact they're willing to go to great hardship to get here and then work hard they arrive should carry some weight. To me, the ones willing and wanting to work probably should be allowed some path to citizenship. The problem lies with those not wanting to work, but instead wanting their "fair" share of what we've worked for. Remember, we sure have a bunch of those here by birth who are too sorry to lift a finger, or if they do, its their middle one to those of us who earn a living.

Just the other day an illegal tboned a car and killed the passenger. He drove away, with his car limping. Didn't take long to find the car in an apartment complex. Someone pointed out where the Mex family lived, so they went to that apartment. They didn't find him, but they knew who he was, and they did find another illegal in the apartment, also wanted on a hit and run. So they took him to the cookie jar, and kept looking for the original driver.

I haven't been a big fan of checkpoints. They reek of the old soviet block and tactics. But we're rapidly getting to the point where we might benefit from it here. Not anything intrusive, just a DL check, a license plate check, and an insurance check. The problem would be the goodie-goodies here wouldn't like the cars being impounded. And that's the only way to resolve the problem. We'd also need to go just one minor step beyond and any car that doesn't match the current registration for the plate would need to be off the road. Not a promise by the driver to park it. Haul if off, then crush it in 30 or 90 days.

Our laws have proven very effective for our own citizens. Where they turn out inadequate is with foreigners who really don't care. We're at the point where they drive junk, and its cheaper to replace the clunker than to pay for title, tags, and insurance. Why bother with a DL when its more bother than just driving without one. We've shown our refusal to deport them, so the laws have no teeth.

What we really need is a Republican candidate who promises another of Ike's Operation Wetback. All those trucks heading back to pick up some cheap products should be filled with those here illegally. I know they'd just figure out a way to come back. But it certainly would increase the costs of being here.

We already have way too many of our own citizens sucking welfare dry. That's not racist, because they seem to be plenty of them both black and white. What we can't really afford are Mexicans, Guatamalan's, and every other flavor under the sun, all on the public dole.

Some day maybe they'll declare open season on them.

Why the problem with illegal aliens? Because we provide them with jobs. What would happen if we started arresting people who hired these illegals, followed by heavy fines and, for second offenses, jail? And I mean Mr. & Mrs. Average American, arrest and jail. The Perp Walk and all. How long would people be in this country illegally if they couldn't find work? If we continue on the current course we'll be discussing this 10 years from now.

Steve in Vermont said:

Why the problem with illegal aliens? Because we provide them with jobs. What would happen if we started arresting people who hired these illegals, followed by heavy fines and, for second offenses, jail? And I mean Mr. & Mrs. Average American, arrest and jail. The Perp Walk and all. How long would people be in this country illegally if they couldn't find work? If we continue on the current course we'll be discussing this 10 years from now.

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I'm all for the buisness owners getting smacked however, How long would they be in this country if the FED's actually deported (or the state and municipal agencies were allowed to) the illegals when we found them????

This subject does hit close to home. I was once hit by some Mexicans racing one another. They turned in front of me at an intersection as I went through. No warning: I minimized the accident by swerving. The police did come and issued them tickets. They had no insurance. They disappeared into the barrio, and I was told that there was little liklihood of them paying anything or being found. I had to pay to repair my own car. You'd better believe that I now carry Uninsured Motorist insurance.

Second experience: an Indian or Pakistani nurse ran a red light and would have t-boned me in the driver's door at 60 or so MPH had my little Toyota not had superb brakes and had I not had excellent peripheral vision. As was, she left paint on my front bumper! She begged me not to report the accident, admitting that she had had prior wrecks. Claimed that she must have gone to sleep at the wheel after working a 12-hour shift at a hospital. She was driving a big white Mercedes. I'm lucky to be alive. I honestly think God was looking after me that day.

Third item: one of my brothers was nearly killed by an African driver who skidded into him at a traffic light. The guy may have been talking on a cell phone or just not paid attention as he approached the icy intersection. He certainly didn't stop in time to avoid hitting my brother's van, stopped at the light. I 'd also guess from what I've seen of some of his countrymen that he might have been on dope. He was driving a borrowed vehicle, and I think his license was questionable.

A rookie cop handled the case and failed to get the address of the driver or failed to get some other vital info. In any event, my brother, who suffered through extensive surgery and having to have some bones replaced by metal was never able to locate the black driver, and the police had only a mild interest in finding him. My brother still suffers from his extensive injuries and a doctor who evidently didn't install an artificial part right.

Another African has been charged with a vehicle death in a suburb in the last couple of weeks. I think he was drunk. Just saw part of the case on the TV news.

I really think this nation is going to have to restrict legal immigration and crack down on illegal immigration. (This doesn't mean that suitable persons shouldn't immigrate, but trash people from Third World countries are, in my opinion, not desirable immigrants. I also think that some are coming here as a possible Fifth Column in the event of a war with Islamic nations or terrorist groups. (If you don't know the term Fifth Column, it was coined by the Nazi general who invaded Norway in 1940. He had four columns of troops, but bragged to a reporter that he had a "fifth column" of Norwgian traitors in Oslo. They greatly assisted in the conquest of their country. They were sometimes called Quislings, after one of their number, I believe.

Traffic accidents are just one reason why illegal aliens are a danger here. Many are also involved in crimes. And I flat resented one Mexican woman bragging to me that they're taking over. Alas, it's true.

Don't even get me started on the number of immigrants, many without adequate English, who work in hospitals. Frankly, they scare me.

One thing You can take to the bank; our glorious political class DOESN'T CARE, and DHS might wave the flag feebly--and nothing more.

Mark Steyn has it right in his latest book, "After America". It's not so much about electing all the right people as making the wrong people do the right things. Obama, Holder, Napolitano, Morton, et all need to fear being cast into the outer darkness. Or jail. What scum.

After 22 years of TRYING to do immigration enforcement, I strongly favor the latter. I too want my country back.

I watched the ambassador from Mexico on a call in TV show. Someone called and asked why so many of his countrymen were coming here and why couldn't Mexico come up with jobs?
His response was that the USA is THE greatest country in the world and EVERYONE wants to live here and we share a border!
The caller then asked - *Then why aren't we being overrun with Canadians?*

I actually don't believe that there is a Fifth Column here in this country. I wholeheartedly believe that there are multiple Fifth Columns here and wonder if they won't join forces when *the time* comes.
And I also believe that *the time* is near......

Does anyone else think that civil war would cause martial law to be enacted and Federal elections to be canceled?

Just when is a illegal safely in this country? Yes, when the BP catchs someone hopping the fence they haul them back to try again. However if some get a few miles in, and are ran down by ANYONE BUT the BP, they wont take them! Awhile back some guy had a pickup, camera, and went to home depot, said he had work for them and 8 or 10 climbed in back. He was filmed giggeling and drove them a few blocks away to a border patrol station and when they caught on they scattered like quail with some of them kicking the truck etc. It was on Utube and I think, posted here. However I read a bunch of feedback on the video and most if not all thought the guy who pulled the prank was a jerk.
In the 50s when I grew up in wisconsin they had the brazzero program. It was visa`s or work permits and I thought it worked well. Wisconsin had a lot of "truck farms" and needed a lot of people working on them in summertime. I even seen many jamaicans hired too.
While I do sympthathsize for a lot of these illegals it has to stop! Along with the honest ones a huge criminal and welfare type swam the river too.
I know hospitals when I lived in california closed up because they couldnt afford to treat them per law! I have read over a thrid of inmates in prison are illegal. The true cost of their crime and welfare in this country must be staggering!
San francisco is a safe haven. Outside of a few places like that, this is totaly the federal goverments fault. They wont do their job because of the mexican-american voteing block. They will blow smoke and maybe go after some small employers as a coverup, but any idiot has to wonder why arent train loads sent back every day! On that score I will tell you why. They are afraid it would smack of the same world view of germany sending trainloads of jews to the death camps. What other real answer can there be for the federal goverments not doing their job?