Illegal Aliens And Traffic Accidents.

[venomballistics]

The wife and I were on our way to church a few weeks ago.
along the route, the road was blocked off
beyond the squad cars two twisted bicycles lay.
News reported it as a hit and run, witness must have gotten the plate cause they got him
yup ... the name fits this thread

 

[rondo]

Huntington Beach Man Dies in Crash

I knew the driver of the Corvette. Every Sunday morning he would take the car to a parking lot within walking distance of my house and hang out with other hot rod enthusiasts. Kind of a mini car show.

The truck mentioned in the story was a unlicensed fully-loaded dump truck without brakes. The driver, of course, was an illegal. He was on his way to a landscaping job.

 

[Steve in Vermont]

I'm all for the buisness owners getting smacked however, How long would they be in this country if the FED's actually deported (or the state and municipal agencies were allowed to) the illegals when we found them????

What I'd like to see is eliminating the reason for them to come to the US, or return if deported. No work, No money, no reason to stay. Right now even if we deport them there's every reason for them to return, there's work to be had. Let's take that incentive away and perhaps many of them will go home on their own dime. Better than what we got now.

 

[DeadAye]

Appropriately enough for this thread - On FOX news a few minutes ago they did a story on a CA law bill.
Apparently if you're driving without a license in California the LEA that catches you can impound your car. The bill would outlaw that practice.
Because:
Too many illegals don't have driver's licenses and the practice is therefore unfair. UNREAL! The driver would get a ticket though.

Seriously - Any unlicensed driver should loose his vehicle on the spot and he (or she - let's be fair) should stay in jail until all fines are paid.
At that point the issue of immigration status should be dealt with.

How do we wind up with these people in office?

 

[feralmerril]

How about us invadeing mexico, clean up the corrupt politicans, drug cartels etc and giveing it back to them? Oh. I forgot . We cant do that in our own country.

 

[DeadAye]

What I'd like to see is eliminating the reason for them to come to the US, or return if deported. No work, No money, no reason to stay. Right now even if we deport them there's every reason for them to return, there's work to be had. Let's take that incentive away and perhaps many of them will go home on their own dime. Better than what we got now.

I don't get it
With unemployment rampant - How is it that these folks are finding all of these jobs?

If they would reduce welfare benefits to no more than (say) 75% of what one could make working a 40 hour week at minimum wage things might change.

 

[redlevel]

Well, if politics isn't already in the thread, I guess I'll inject it.

If we did away with unemployment compensation and most forms of welfare, there would be very few illegals in the country. As it stands right now, migrants are doing jobs that Americans will not do, not at any wage. A good peach picker can probably make $100 a day. Americans absolutely will not pick the peaches because it is hot, hard, sweaty work. Peanut growers in South Georgia pay $10-$12 per hour for migrants to pull weeds out of peanuts. Americans will not do the work, not for $20 per hour.

I know the thread was about illegals involved in accidents and I agree, something must be done. But the fact remains, an American worker now drawing welfare or unemployment could have every job being done by illegals. If all the illegals were suddenly trucked back to Mexico and other Latin countries of origin, the fresh and processed fruit and vegetable industries in the US would shut down, along with the poultry industries, because Americans absolutely will not do those jobs. Not at any reasonable wage.

 

[Cooter Brown]

(If you don't know the term Fifth Column, it was coined by the Nazi general who invaded Norway in 1940. He had four columns of troops, but bragged to a reporter that he had a "fifth column" of Norwgian traitors in Oslo. They greatly assisted in the conquest of their country. They were sometimes called Quislings, after one of their number, I believe.

"The Fifth Column" was actually coined during the Spanish civil war in the mid 30s. Hemingway used the term as the title of a play in 1938.

A few years ago I was on my way back from shooting clays and was on an interstate--it was raining and I saw cars swapping around and brake lights coming on well ahead--sure signs of a wreck. I kept my lane and started to brake--tapping at first to let people behind me know what was going on and not rear end me. I was in the lane the wreck was in but had plenty of time to stop but was doing it gradually to keep from being rear ended.

All of a sudden from two lanes to my right a truck swerved into my lane and I couldn't stop in time and hit it. If he had stayed in the lane he was in he could have driven right by the wreck and never been affected. No idea why he changed.

It was a crew cab truck and it started to empty like a clown car. All but one of them jumped into a van that had stopped, which immediately took off. The one that stayed was not the driver but I guess he was the only one legal.

I told the policeman working the wreck, who just shrugged his shoulders and sighed.

 

[oldRoger]

I do not think that licensing will help a bit. Progressive like to think that making it easy for people to do the legal thing will result in them doing right, but it doesn't happen.

Here we have a group of people here illegally, with no insurance (expensive), no legal tag (expensive), driving a car of doubtful origins, perhaps DUI, no legal address, etc. We expect them to pass a test and get a license? That would seem to me to be contrary to their best interests.

Because of general public apathy the unregistered, uninsured, unlicensed, driver especially if he/she is also illegal can just split in case of accident. This is working very well for them why would they stop?

 

[venomballistics]

I do not think that licensing will help a bit. Progressive like to think that making it easy for people to do the legal thing will result in them doing right, but it doesn't happen.

Here we have a group of people here illegally, with no insurance (expensive), no legal tag (expensive), driving a car of doubtful origins, perhaps DUI, no legal address, etc. We expect them to pass a test and get a license? That would seem to me to be contrary to their best interests.

Because of general public apathy the unregistered, uninsured, unlicensed, driver especially if he/she is also illegal can just split in case of accident. This is working very well for them why would they stop?

just one minor correction ... we the people who represent the public are not apathetic, as is evidenced by the great whacking volume of traffic within this thread.
We care .. we care a lot... When given the chance we speak. The frustrating part is that no matter how loudly we do speak ... those who could, and should act, refuse to listen.

 

[John Eilertson]

I lived in PHX, Arizona for several years. I don't have any statistics, but I'd bet you a fair % of these cars were stolen at one time or another. Never mind lack of license or insurance...but so often you have you be able to outrun them, it seems. When will this silliness end!?

 

[truckemup97]

Americans will not do the work, not for $20 per hour.

But the fact remains, an American worker now drawing welfare or unemployment could have every job being done by illegals. Americans absolutely will not do those jobs. Not at any reasonable wage.

Americans won't do those jobs. I agree. But what part of that mindset can be blamed on everyone around our children, from teachers and parents to the President of The United States, telling them that they have to go to college so that they can get a good job as an attorney or in a bank or as a teacher or in some other "professional" profession. There's nothing wrong with picking peaches, or digging ditches, or being a mechanic, or (heaven forbid ) driving a truck. Someone has to do these jobs or our country won't run. Our children are told, though, that these jobs are undesirable and they should go to college so that they don't have to work hard and get their hands dirty.

In the spirit of full disclosure, I are a colledge edjumicated truk drivr.

 

[walter o]

Red level I don't know how it is in your area but for $20.00 per hr. many in this area would be glad to work.

 

[venomballistics]

Americans won't do those jobs. I agree. But what part of that mindset can be blamed on everyone around our children, from teachers and parents to the President of The United States, telling them that they have to go to college so that they can get a good job as an attorney or in a bank or as a teacher or in some other "professional" profession. There's nothing wrong with picking peaches, or digging ditches, or being a mechanic, or (heaven forbid ) driving a truck. Someone has to do these jobs or our country won't run. Our children are told, though, that these jobs are undesirable and they should go to college so that they don't have to work hard and get their hands dirty.

In the spirit of full disclosure, I are a colledge edjumicated truk drivr.

Unwilling ... well yeah some .. well ok , many may fit that description.
we ALL had our first car .... or the remnants there of
purchased at a premium of 250 - 500 bucks and described as runs good ... first lesson in life is the definition of the word subjectivity.
from here we fork off into one of two camps. those who use their junkyard refugee to fight our way to a better mode of transport and those who fight our way through a service manual to elevate it to a proper mode of transport.
flippin burgers or flipping wrenches, we had to pick our poison.
I chose both like the pubescent fool I was .. burgers to afford the parts and wrenches to put em to use.
Ill tell ya what .... after a while I piloted some wild iron .. not drove per se .. but piloted
Law enforcement was a little confused in my opinion. with 700 fully blown, intercooled, fuel injected horsepower I always felt I was more the FAA's problem than that of the Sheriff
some of us still realize the underlying value in "those jobs" you just cant buy what some of us have created

 

[rondo]

Let's not forget, we pay people not to work. I believe that has a lot to do with it. Hungry people will do lots of things.

 

[Armyphotog]

I don't doubt anything you have said, but I personally have had no experience with illegal aliens and traffic accidents. At least, from your report, they at least do time. I'm more chapped by "respectable" folks that have a little money and a good lawyer that walk away from everything from leaving the scene of an accident to hit and run with no time served except for "community service" or probation.

 

[zoom6zoom]

USA Today had a front page, above the fold article this morning on "1 in 7 drivers are not insured".

Sure enough, they didn't even broach the idea of how many of those drivers are illegals.

 

[truckemup97]

Let's not forget, we pay people not to work. I believe that has a lot to do with it. Hungry people will do lots of things.

"The best way to help the poor is to make them uncomfortable in their poverty." Ben Franklin

 

[Seneca]

I'm reading this thread and the comments on illegals after just this morning spending 2 hours at United States Customs and Immigration Services office in Detroit. My wife and I were there for an interview for her Green Card. She is Fillipina and I brought her here on a K1 ( fiance ) Visa. To make a very long ( and expensive ) story short, this is not the end, but kind of the middle of her journey to citizenship. We have spent many hours, reams of paper, printer ink, & postage filling out forms, getting medical exams & shots blah, blah, blah... getting to this point. Today, we were interviewed by an " Adjudication Officer " whose first words were " Do you have any questions?". My wife gave me that " keep your mouth shut" look, so I didn't say a word about the unfairness of all this.
When we left the building ( without a definitive " yes or no" ) I told my wife, " Ya know, honey. I should have just bought you an airline ticket to Mexico two years ago and met you at the Rio Grande with a couple of towels! By now you would have free medical, free housing, food stamps, a driver's license etc., etc.! and we'd be livin' large!!!"
But, I once pledged to " support and defend the Constitution of the United States" and, besides, she's worth it.

 

[redlevel]

Red level I don't know how it is in your area but for $20.00 per hr. many in this area would be glad to work.

Most would not last half a day doing the work in the fields that migrants do. Fifty years ago they could and would, because that was about the only option. Today they can't and won't because they do not have to.