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Old 03-01-2013, 12:20 PM
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My guess is that if you pronounce Colonel the way it is spelled that it would sound funny. Or, if it was spelled the way it is pronounced it would look funny, therefore possible lack of respect to the bird.

Anyone know the history of how the name came to be?
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Two different words were used by the spaniards in the 16th or 17th centuries.Somehow this spelling was associated with the others pronunciation.
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I'm not aware that the word was ever spelled any differently in the English language.
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Ain't no R in Cuh-nal.
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Worcester, Mass, pronounced Woosta. Have to save the "R"s for Sawr, as in the bandsawr.
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I guess that would make things too simple. I always why lue...lieu..lieau...uh...lootinunt was spelled so funny.
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Here ya go.
"Colonel comes from Old Italian colonello, commander of a column of troops, which in turn derives from colonna, column. It wasn't always spelled the Italian way, though. Four hundred years ago English followed the Spanish practice and spelled the word "coronel," sensibly pronounced the way it looked. Eventually this was corrupted to ker-nel, still not bad considering we're talking about the British, who pronounce "Featheringstonehaugh" "Fanshaw."
But it couldn't last. Some nameless busybody decided coronel ought to be spelled "colonel" to better reflect its Italian origin, doubtless out of the same misplaced love of precision that gave us 16-1/2 feet to the rod and 27 and 11/32 grains to the dram. It's just the Anglo-Saxon way, I guess. How these people conquered an empire I'll never know."
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You know how Worcester sauce got its name? A cook invented the recipe and owned his own resturant. He put it on the counter and said nothing. A gentilman came in, ordered a steak and tried the bottel on it. He smacked his lips, raised the bottel in the air and asked the cook, Wus dis here sauce?
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As long as you people remember there's no "I" in "team" things'll go along just fine.

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"Colonel comes from Old Italian colonello, commander of a column of troops, which in turn derives from colonna, column. It wasn't always spelled the Italian way, though. Four hundred years ago English followed the Spanish practice and spelled the word "coronel," sensibly pronounced the way it looked. Eventually this was corrupted to ker-nel, still not bad considering we're talking about the British, who pronounce "Featheringstonehaugh" "Fanshaw."
But it couldn't last. Some nameless busybody decided coronel ought to be spelled "colonel" to better reflect its Italian origin, doubtless out of the same misplaced love of precision that gave us 16-1/2 feet to the rod and 27 and 11/32 grains to the dram. It's just the Anglo-Saxon way, I guess. How these people conquered an empire I'll never know."
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I had a coloneloscopy oncet (pernownced wun-set, like, then, not now). Didn't know what the doc was lookin for, but turns out, he was lookin for money I didn't know I had. But I guess thats about privates, not orficers. There's no R in officer, but there's one in orfices...wait....nevermind..
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Seen that on the Benny Hill show years ago. He saidn that if you pronounce psycology P - sycology it means you are a fool, the p is silent like the p in swimming pool and then got that stupid look on his face. I still see the re runs on dish now and then
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Maybe it's like Justin Wilson's dog (way down in Louisiana) named Fido but down there spelled PHYDOUX.


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How about that old quarterback named "Farve" and spelt (?) "Favre"?
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Our family spells our last name at least 5 different ways since they arrived. My grandad had about 4 brothers that all spelt it different.
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I thought colonel was an old Gaelic word meaning "ruptured duck".
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You are supposed to pronounce it the way Lebeau from Hogan's Heros did.
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As a Kentucky colonel, I don't argue, I just accept that it was probably the British way, originally.

Fortunately, not all of the British customs endure so long. I'm eternally grateful that our speedometers are not calibrated in furlongs per fortnight...

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Our family spells our last name at least 5 different ways since they arrived. My grandad had about 4 brothers that all spelt it different.
How many different ways do you think bacon can be spelled?
Ummm, we call those "aliases"!

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and of course....sow belly
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John Taliaferro Thompson, the man behind the Thompson submachine gun, had an unusual middle name. The spelling I just gave is correct, but it was pronounced "Toliver." Go figure.

John Garand's last name is universally pronounced "Guh-RAND." He himself pronounced it to rhyme with "errand."

These are things you just have to know - no reason for them other than tradition. The English language is weird.

I pronounce Worchestershire sauce "bug juice." It's simpler.

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That sounds kind of corny.
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If you're a piarate colonel there's an "arrr" in it.
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You did notice JOERM started this, diddenya?

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John Taliaferro Thompson, the man behind the Thompson submachine gun, had an unusual middle name. The spelling I just gave is correct, but it was pronounced "Toliver." Go figure.

John Garand's last name is universally pronounced "Guh-RAND." He himself pronounced it to rhyme with "errand."

These are things you just have to know - no reason for them other than tradition. The English language is weird.

I pronounce Worchestershire sauce "bug juice." It's simpler.

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And Hoopes is as often pronunced hoops instead of hoop eze, Townsend Whelen is correctly pronounced Whay-lan, Leopold scopes are Lew-polled instead of leo-polled.
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I guess that would make things too simple. I always why lue...lieu..lieau...uh...lootinunt was spelled so funny.
I've heard "Left tenant", Leit (Late) tenant and Leit NONT. Its no wonder people can't spell this word.
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At the inception of colonel, the letter R was associated with assault pirates and the government threatened to ban it and they became scare. When R's started to show up, they were swooped from the shelves and hoarded against further shortages. Because the pirates were primarily in the area of the southeast, the folks in the northeast got most of the supply as it became available. Hence, all the extra R's in the way they pronounce the most simple of words and none in colonel!

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Anyone know the history of how the name came to be?
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Well, bear in mind that you are talking about English...the language where "phonetic" isn't spelled with an "f" !
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The same reason tap beer is spelled "draught" instead of draft.
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In Spanish, "Colonel" is spelt and pronounced "Coronel". "General", on the other hand, is pronounced "Heneral". Not that it matters, I suppose, but I have met more Henerales than I have Coroneles, although I've met quite a few Teniente Coroneles. I googled "Coronel" and it was actually listed as being the "old spelling of Colonel".

I think the Mexican Army is a little top-heavy with Henerales who accomplish little, draw beaucoup pesos in salary, and are quite dangerous to be around on their own turf. The best depiction I have seen on film of a "Heneral" was in the Michael Douglas movie "Traffic". It might have just been a movie, but it looks a lot like things I've seen in real life. They got that depiction bang-on.

Most of the Teniente Coroneles and the few Coroneles I have met have actually been quite useful souls, accomplishing things as they go about juggling many myriad problems at the same time. Something must happen when they jump up to the Heneral class that makes them more useless and more dangerous at the same time. Or maybe it's just where the line is drawn between a useful beaurocrat and a dangerous politician. I really don't know, and I am referring to my personal experiences with the Mexican Army here, not as a rule for the World to live by.
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In Spanish, "Colonel" is spelt and pronounced "Coronel". "General", on the other hand, is pronounced "Heneral". Not that it matters, I suppose, but I have met more Henerales than I have Coroneles, although I've met quite a few Teniente Coroneles. I googled "Coronel" and it was actually listed as being the "old spelling of Colonel".

I think the Mexican Army is a little top-heavy with Henerales who accomplish little, draw beaucoup pesos in salary, and are quite dangerous to be around on their own turf. The best depiction I have seen on film of a "Heneral" was in the Michael Douglas movie "Traffic". It might have just been a movie, but it looks a lot like things I've seen in real life. They got that depiction bang-on.

Most of the Teniente Coroneles and the few Coroneles I have met have actually been quite useful souls, accomplishing things as they go about juggling many myriad problems at the same time. Something must happen when they jump up to the Heneral class that makes them more useless and more dangerous at the same time. Or maybe it's just where the line is drawn between a useful beaurocrat and a dangerous politician. I really don't know, and I am referring to my personal experiences with the Mexican Army here, not as a rule for the World to live by.
Now that's one heck of a mouth full, very educational and something we should all remember and put to good use! Thank you sir.
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I had a coloneloscopy oncet (pernownced wun-set, like, then, not now). Didn't know what the doc was lookin for, but turns out, he was lookin for money I didn't know I had. But I guess thats about privates, not orficers. There's no R in officer, but there's one in orfices...wait....nevermind..
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Was it Sessue Hayakawa who had the classic line: "Yankee coronel, you suplised I speak you ranguage? I was educated in you countly at UCRA."
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Its a Chinese word they dont use Rs
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