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oddball ammo
anybody have any oddball ammo? i have this one round that was given to me a long time ago its a 14 cal using a 221 fireball case,was a gov project that the walker brothers machine shop( a bullet maker in louisville ky )was working on in the late 50's early 60's,project was dropped and he had a few of these left over that he gave away,
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I once saw a .50 Browning Machine Gun round necked down to .17 caliber on display at a gun show.....never did see the gun...
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04-28-2013, 12:12 PM
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How about 9mm for the Galand revolver?
Just wish i had a revolver for the cartrigdes
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I have a .700 H&H Nitro Express in my collection. Interesting to look at but I don't have any interest in ever firing a rifle chambered for the cartridge.
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I just found my cartridge  for the "Lion King." The whole front of my shirt is getting wet!
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Got a couple.
.455 Colt Eley, used to have the gun and a whole box.
11MM Mauser
50-110 Express
Rem UMC brass 12ga 00
and a couple derringer rounds....
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You carry that derringer concealed, I presume.
IWB?
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You carry that derringer concealed, I presume.
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Bet you it was an ankle holster?
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Looks like they might be for a pocket pistol.
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So you are the original "Popeye" ?
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04-28-2013, 01:17 PM
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I have a .700 H&H Nitro Express in my collection. Interesting to look at but I don't have any interest in ever firing a rifle chambered for the cartridge.

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the cigar in the background looks pretty interesting as well!. The label looks like a Fuente.
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38 Remington?
Anyone know about this one?
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I came across a 30-06 size cartridge in my late Father's tool box necked down. Seeing as he worked as a tool and die maker for Hunter of the old C&H reloading equipment fame I was curious as to what it was. It turned out to be a blank probably from his Army days in WWII and not the rare round I hoped for.
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Well , got a bunch of old and obsolete cartridges around.
My .401 Herters PowerMag could be considered an oddball round, but since I also have the gun , , ,
The .455 Eley (aka .455 Colt) is not the same or as well known as it's little brother , the .455 Webley.
Got the gun for those too, a 1918 Colt New Service.
Don't have a pic handy , but I do have a few rounds of 6mm SAW. An experimental US light machine gun round from the late 60s-early 70s. Made at the old Frankford Arsenal , they were made with a lacquered steel or aluminum case.
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Wow , that one isn't even in Barnes COTW!
Obviously one of the same family as the .35 , .32 , .30 and .25 Remington.
Got a measurement of that bullet dia?
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I once saw a .50 Browning Machine Gun round necked down to .17 caliber on display at a gun show.....never did see the gun... 
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Must've been the 5.7mm eXpress
PO Ackley made the .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer
Didn't quite make his goal of 5000fps
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Here's one for you. It is based off the .44 mag case.
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Here's one for you. It is based off the .44 mag case.

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.357-44 Bain & Davis?
There was a similar .357 Auto Mag.
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the cigar in the background looks pretty interesting as well!. The label looks like a Fuente.
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That is a Fuente Hemingway Between the Lines. It is a great little smoke.
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An experimental round for the Remington Model 8 sometime just before WW1 I think. It never made it to production. The single rounds would be very scarce I'd imagine.
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Wow , that one isn't even in Barnes COTW!
Obviously one of the same family as the .35 , .32 , .30 and .25 Remington.
Got a measurement of that bullet dia?
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I had forgotten that i had posted that one here before and found the thread as I was searching on Yahoo.
See here for more info:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/...remington.html
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An experimental round for the Remington Model 8 sometime just before WW1 I think. It never made it to production. The single rounds would be very scarce I'd imagine.
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And the owner of the gun shop sold all three of them for a dollar as I was researching them.
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I have a few rounds of .30 Court.
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I din't have pictures but:
9mm Winchester Mag
357/45 GWM
44 auto mag
45 Winchester magnum
256 Winchester Magnum
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.357-44 Bain & Davis?
There was a similar .357 Auto Mag.
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You sir are correct .357-44 Bain & Davis
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I would like to get just 1 gyro-jet round but i understand they are about 100 bucks a round now.
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Are those 'Derringer rounds' the ammo for that French 37mm infantry howitzer of WW I? Thre's a picture of US soldiers using one in the Belleau Wood, I think.
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The one on the left is headstamped "crown over N" and "48" and "PATRONENFABRIK KARLSRUHE, XI 98.
The right one, 37-85 and PDP s 11 1 18 & a flaming bomb.
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Could that crown be over an M instead of an N?
Ammunition - Helmen
Next to bottom pic on the page, left hand shell.
> PATRONENFABRIK KARLSRUHE XI 98 47 = Made in Karlsruhe, in the eleventh Month (i.e. November) of 1898, lot number 47. The M under a crown and the use of a number instead of the name of the month indicate that this is a navy cartridge.<
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Alpo you are correct it is an M. The old eyes tricked me.
Thanks for the info. Grandad was in WWI in Europe, Dad was in WWII in the Med. N Africa to Sicily.
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Year’s back I took a 250 grain jacketed hollow point slug and loaded it into a .38 case. (The slug was for my .358 BDL and the .38 case had a fired primer in it.)
I would leave it on the bench I was shooting from at the club in a way you could not see the fired primer. You should have see some of the looks and questions asked when someone would notice the oversize round lying there next to my .38 revolver.
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Several years ago I bought close to 2000 rounds of 8mm Lebel on Maxium MG strips. I figured I'd sell most of it a shoot what didn't sell in a carbine I have. Never shot any and still have about 1600 rounds left. It's not rare but it is odd. Ivan
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Maxims fed from a belt; the Hotchkiss fed from a feed strip. If the 8mm Lebel ammo is headstamped later than the 1930s, it's probably Balle N, and shouldn't be shot in Lebels or Berthiers unless the receiver or barrel is stamped N, indicating the chamber mouth has been enlarged for it. It kicks like a mule in the light Berthier carbines; I didn't want to shoot more than 5 rounds of it.
The left hand round is probably for the Krupp 37mm Maxims, "pom-poms", that were quite popular at the time. The British used them against the Boers in South Africa, and the Boers came up with the name from the sound they made. The German Navy used them as close-in defense against torpedo boats.
My French 37mm infantry howitzer round is headstamped 37-85, meaning 37mm, 85mm long, although mine actually measures 91mm. it's also headstamped PDPs 186 2 16, and the ordnance bomb. 2-16 is the date of manufacture, and PDPs probably indicates the maker, although I can't identify it. 186 may be a lot number. Somebody who knows what they're talking about, please help me out on this.
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I have 3 rounds marked 38-70 Win. Only made a couple of years for the Mod.86 Win. And No, I don't have the rifle.
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Sorry but I don't have any pictures. I do have:
10MM Swiss rimfire
14MM paper hull shotgun shell
12 and 16 gauge full brass shotgun shell
450 Adams revolver
.17 Remington (center fire)
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Cyrano thanks for the Hotchkiss correction. The head stamp is just the circles around the primer, I know there are no dates and I don't remember any letters.
I have a 50 Browning round brought home from Vietnam by a friend. The projectile is translucent plastic with about 5 semi-wadcutters with angled bases stacked up. Our government denies the our country ever used the multi-ball rounds. Also in the oddball collection is a Gibbs 476 #2, a 50-110 Winchester with a copper post in the bullet for penetration, a bunch of 450 3 1/4 N.E. by Kynoch, 32-20 Marlin, a 2R Lovell, 25-20 Single Shot, boxes of 7x57R & and 8x57JSR (.323 for drillings) and 8x57R (.318 for drillings), and more I don't remember off of the top of my head. Ivan
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I was wrong about the information I posted on the French 37mm round. I queried a French friend who knows a lot more about these things than I do. His information: 37-85: 37mm cannon model 1885 (a Hotchkiss revolving barrel cannon sorta like a Gatling). It was also used in the Model 1916 infantry cannon, and this round was probably made for that gun. PDPs: The maker: Pinchard Denys, Paris. 196 is the lot number, and it was made in February 1916. They were loaded with black powder. They wer also used in the Model 1918 tank cannon that was used in the FT 17 of WW I, as well as the Renault and Hotchkiss light tanks of the 1930s. The original ammunition would not penetrate the German PzKpfw III tank but an armor piercing around was developed that would do the job. However they were in VERY short supply in 1940 (10 rounds authorized per tank, probably less than that was issued).
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