Hack
Member
Just wondering if you've been getting the 100 rounds of ammunition quarterly for practice prior to re-qualifying?
Any Active CBP Officers?
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MKT
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Not for the last year, maybe longer. Only get enough ammo to qual with, those of us with two issued handguns get enough for two quals, but of course you have to shoot both guns. The few rounds left over (25 if a 1 gun shooter or 6 if a 2 gun shooter) are ours at the end.
Rifle, UMP and shotgun, we get only what we need to qual...period.
edit to add: this is from the BP side of the house. Can't speak for those in blue.
Rifle, UMP and shotgun, we get only what we need to qual...period.
edit to add: this is from the BP side of the house. Can't speak for those in blue.
Alpo
Member
I thought I'd wait for an answer, and see if that told me anything, but it didn't, so I'll ask.
CBP? Huh?
CBP? Huh?
Alk8944
US Veteran
Customs & Border Patrol. Had to check an acronym dictionary! If OP had simply said Border Patrol everyone would have known what he was asking!
kas9412
Member
Actually, the official current name is US Customs and Border Protection. I was never an officer, but an auditor for them for a bit.
kas
kas
Texas Star
US Veteran
What is the currently issued sidearm there?
Alpo
Member
I was thinking, "Border Patrol", but could not come up with what the "C" was.
MKT
Member
The issue sidearm is the H&K P2000 for most, a few may still have the issued H&K USP40C. Those of us authorized the second gun also have the P2000SK, which is a sub-compact version of the P2000.
As already answered, CBP stands for Customs and Border Protection, which is the "parent" bureau of USBP and OFO (Office of Field Operations, or those who used to be Immigration Inspectors). BP wears green and OFO wears blue.
As already answered, CBP stands for Customs and Border Protection, which is the "parent" bureau of USBP and OFO (Office of Field Operations, or those who used to be Immigration Inspectors). BP wears green and OFO wears blue.
Buckey08
Member
I thought you guy's had 1 million billion rounds of ammo stock piled which caused the great ammo shortage in the first place?
MKT
Member
That seems to be the common belief, apparently based on the DHS request for an ammo budget for 5 years or so. It seemed like an astronomical amount until you looked at the breakdown...so much for training at the academies plus the regular quarterly qualifications for all the enforcement offers. I remember reading someone from Congress, or the Senate whining the amount per agent per year was more than the military requires per soldier per year.
Just in quarterly qualifications I fire 984 rounds each year for my two pistols, M4, UMP40 and shotgun. Mind you, this is strictly qualifications and doesn't include any other firearms training I may partake in, if offered. This works out to about 20 million rounds per year just for the Border Patrol qualifications and does not factor in any academy training. Start adding in the other enforcement agencies within DHS and you start getting into some fairly high numbers. If we got back to getting our allotted 150 rounds (50 rounds per month) for practice each quarter the total count per agent per year would increase by 600 rounds.
Just in quarterly qualifications I fire 984 rounds each year for my two pistols, M4, UMP40 and shotgun. Mind you, this is strictly qualifications and doesn't include any other firearms training I may partake in, if offered. This works out to about 20 million rounds per year just for the Border Patrol qualifications and does not factor in any academy training. Start adding in the other enforcement agencies within DHS and you start getting into some fairly high numbers. If we got back to getting our allotted 150 rounds (50 rounds per month) for practice each quarter the total count per agent per year would increase by 600 rounds.
gdnagle
US Veteran
That wasn't stocked piled that was for qualifications that's what the news said and everything you see in the news is true. I also read we may not need them anymore anyway as export numbers are at their lowest, "a dramatic 25 percent drop from the previous year again" also from the news.
SgtLumpy
Member
4506517
Member
Wow. 984 rounds of practice a year?
I get 100 rounds a year for my piece of garbage M&P 45 full size. I get another 31 (exactly) for duty carry.
I get 10 rounds a year for my 870. I get another 5 (exactly) for duty carry. Cruiser safe is 4 in the shotgun's mag tube and an empty chamber, safety on.
Keep in mind this covers both day and night qualifications.
Extra firearms training? Really? What's that?
984 rounds a year? Not sure I would know what to do with it, but I sure know I wouldn't complain about it.
But that's just me.
NOT saying anyone is complaining here.
I get 100 rounds a year for my piece of garbage M&P 45 full size. I get another 31 (exactly) for duty carry.
I get 10 rounds a year for my 870. I get another 5 (exactly) for duty carry. Cruiser safe is 4 in the shotgun's mag tube and an empty chamber, safety on.
Keep in mind this covers both day and night qualifications.
Extra firearms training? Really? What's that?
984 rounds a year? Not sure I would know what to do with it, but I sure know I wouldn't complain about it.
But that's just me.
NOT saying anyone is complaining here.
MKT
Member
Not practice, strictly qualifications. We used to get 150 practice rounds a quarter but not for the last year or so.
Some agencies have once or twice a year quals, many at no further than what, 15 yards? We have to qual 4 times a year, once per quarter and with the weapons we'll carry in the field. Yes, I tote an M4 and an UMP most times and either my P2000 when in uniform or my P2000SK in plain clothes. The M4 has a 100 yard qual, the UMP a 50 yard and everything else only goes out to the 25 (used to be the 50 with the pistol until we went to the 40 S&W)
As far as the extra training, well I've had opportunity to do a little advanced training with the SEALS and back when I was an instructor I was required to do 48 hours of additional advanced training each year.
And, well shoot, I forgot about the night qual. Tack another 72 rounds, bringing the yearly total to 1056 in quals annually. That is per agent for any congressmen reading
.
I definitely don't complain about the required trigger time.
Some agencies have once or twice a year quals, many at no further than what, 15 yards? We have to qual 4 times a year, once per quarter and with the weapons we'll carry in the field. Yes, I tote an M4 and an UMP most times and either my P2000 when in uniform or my P2000SK in plain clothes. The M4 has a 100 yard qual, the UMP a 50 yard and everything else only goes out to the 25 (used to be the 50 with the pistol until we went to the 40 S&W)
As far as the extra training, well I've had opportunity to do a little advanced training with the SEALS and back when I was an instructor I was required to do 48 hours of additional advanced training each year.
And, well shoot, I forgot about the night qual. Tack another 72 rounds, bringing the yearly total to 1056 in quals annually. That is per agent for any congressmen reading
.I definitely don't complain about the required trigger time.
4506517
Member
Well, sounds like you've got it pretty good.
Those numbers I quote aren't practice. Those are what we get to qualify.
Must be nice to have access to all that practice ammunition and extra training.
Most law enforcement agencies have nothing CLOSE to that.
Those numbers I quote aren't practice. Those are what we get to qualify.
Must be nice to have access to all that practice ammunition and extra training.
Most law enforcement agencies have nothing CLOSE to that.
george minze
Member
Not practice, strictly qualifications. We used to get 150 practice rounds a quarter but not for the last year or so.
Some agencies have once or twice a year quals, many at no further than what, 15 yards? We have to qual 4 times a year, once per quarter and with the weapons we'll carry in the field. Yes, I tote an M4 and an UMP most times and either my P2000 when in uniform or my P2000SK in plain clothes. The M4 has a 100 yard qual, the UMP a 50 yard and everything else only goes out to the 25 (used to be the 50 with the pistol until we went to the 40 S&W)
As far as the extra training, well I've had opportunity to do a little advanced training with the SEALS and back when I was an instructor I was required to do 48 hours of additional advanced training each year.
And, well shoot, I forgot about the night qual. Tack another 72 rounds, bringing the yearly total to 1056 in quals annually. That is per agent for any congressmen reading
I definitely don't complain about the required trigger time.
HKT...Does the Border Patrol still have rookie training at FLETC...While at Fugitive courses I used to see those guys running every where they went on the base..We had a Hispanic guy in our ,building that was there from the BP for get this...He couldn't pass the Spanish test, so he was back for remedial testing.....Now here is the funny thing he grew up in a Spanish speaking household, they spoke border Spanish when he was a young kid. He was worried about the upcoming test...Go figure? I try to remember the name of that off base Cop Shop that carried just about every thing for all the classes....O course I was at Pam's no.1 a few times I loved the sign that used to be at the door....Caution............... Post if you remember the cop shop name. I promised a couple of coppers I would get them a ball cap and that is a promise unfilled......
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Gunslinger808
Member
When I was last there in 05 they had moved most of it to Charelston and Artesia.
Sally's?
She even has a web site now, I remember back in the early 80s when it was a little hole in the wall.
http://www.sallyscopshop.com/
Fishslayer
US Veteran, Absent Comrade
Texas Star
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What;s a UMP? Universal Machinen (sp?) Pistole? If this is a SMG, is it 9mm or .40?
And do you have to carry the issued pistols, or are there private purchase options?
And do you have to carry the issued pistols, or are there private purchase options?
Alpo
Member
A UMP is the step-up from an MP5. I don't like 'em, but I guess some folks do.
Only one I've seen and shot was 45 ACP.
Heckler & Koch UMP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Only one I've seen and shot was 45 ACP.
Heckler & Koch UMP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
