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mrsig · Aug 10, 2015

FYI- several months ago I started getting unsolicited emails from this group and did not pay too much attention to them and deleted them.

Friday I got this package from them in the mail, again unsolicited, about the size of a disk in a case. Low and behold that is what is was but I just opened the envelope along with the other mail and there was the disk along with a nicely printed bill for $29.95 made out to me. Instructions were to pay or return it AT MY EXPENSE. They must have bought my info from one of the gun magazines I get.

If you get one of these and don't want hassle don't open it but mark refused on the envelope and send it back. Slick trick and I did not appreciate it. Not the way a good company operates. So I pass this on to my fellow members.

Stevens · Aug 10, 2015

I believe you can just toss it in the garbage or keep it without paying, if you didn't order it?
Steve W

10mmauto · Aug 10, 2015

Throw the bill out. What's on the disk?

Alpo · Aug 10, 2015

Stevens is correct. Unsolicited merchandise is yours. Free gift. They send a bill, toss the bill. Keep the merchandise if you want it, toss it if you don't.

NRA did this a couple of years back. Sent me some kind of DVD, along with a bill for 20 bucks or so. They sent me a bill for four or five months, I kept tossing it in the trash. They eventually got tired of it.

riverrat38 · Aug 11, 2015

Sounds like negative option billing scams of my mis-spent youth (1950's), where the Record Companies had a hook that involved getting a number of records for a penny. A half dozen or so, as I barely recall. The scam involved fine print where you had to pay for a record a month at retail cost. I think the "club" had a fine print cancel option requirement that they counted on "us" not to have read. We would start getting bills in the mail that may have been valid if we hadn't properly cancelled. I didn't become a "member" but I sort of recall friends who had. I don't remember anyone getting into legal trouble over this, but they were probably "underage" for signing "contracts" in any case.

Best,
Rick

islamoradamark · Aug 11, 2015

if i get junk i dont order from some loser outfit and a bill i always throw away what are they gunna do take me away to the funny farm

sheepdawg · Aug 11, 2015

Just contact the company and tell them that since you didn't order it you appreciate the gift.

Ratfink2u · Mar 9, 2019

riverrat38 said:
Sounds like negative option billing scams of my mis-spent youth (1950's), where the Record Companies had a hook that involved getting a number of records for a penny. A half dozen or so, as I barely recall. The scam involved fine print where you had to pay for a record a month at retail cost. I think the "club" had a fine print cancel option requirement that they counted on "us" not to have read. We would start getting bills in the mail that may have been valid if we hadn't properly cancelled. I didn't become a "member" but I sort of recall friends who had. I don't remember anyone getting into legal trouble over this, but they were probably "underage" for signing "contracts" in any case.

Best,
Rick

Not wanting to "date myself" but I do remember these scams in the 70's from a popular record co. They'd let you select 12 titles for a penny then hook you with full price on a cassette per month. oops..I guess I just gave me age away

Absalom · Mar 9, 2019

There are two things getting mixed up here:

If you didn't order something, like the OP, there is no contract and no bill, just the hope that you think it is one. Anything they send you unsolicited is yours.

The other type of scam, where you order something "for free" or very cheaply, but unwittingly sign up for some kind of subscription or serial order hidden in the fine print, is legally a bit different, since technically your gullibility is not an automatic protection. People have found themselves facing collections because they themselves, rather than a court, had decided they had been conned, and didn't pay; doesn't always work that way.

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