BAN LASER SIGHTS AS MAGIC SUBSTITUTES FOR TRAINING

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they wil get people killed.
get this.
my little sis wanted a hand gun for home defense n protection from snakes while hiking.fine, i told her to get a full size, all steel gun. also suggested getting a 22lr for fun n training.
reasonable, right.
well she took a class. she decided 22s were toys.
fine.
took her concealed carry class which told me she was fibbing about what she wanted a gun for.

but then she went out n got a s&w boot gun!
i
forget the model but it's 40 cal.

well maybe she has hands like steel n can shoot a meaningful practice round with a teeny gun with plastic parts.
but the bad thing is, the gun came with a laser.
she thinks, that she can hit whatever she gets the laser on.
so, no need to practice.
she is now walking around with a lethal weapon with no practice whatsoever.
she claims she will join a club in fall, when she has time.
meanwhile, who knows who she wiLL kill.
i've told her THOUSANDS of times about the importance of practice, but, if you have a laser, who needs practice?
i work hard at shooting well.
i gave her all the advice you would.
but, she has a laser.
i wonder how many people are walking around who need no practice because they have a laser.
it's magic, after all.
i'm gonna go hide under my bed.
 
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Well that's a shame but a lot of competent shooters use laser, and a lot of incompetent shooters do not use lasers. I have not personally experiences someone thinking a laser means they need no practise. No offense but your sister sounds a bit stubborn!
 
Chances are she wouldn't put in the practice either way. But as far as banning lasers? That may be a bit much. Try asking her what she plans on doing when the batteries run out unexpectedly. Or when it's a bright day out. I, for one, like lasers. But they should be used as an addition, not a crutch.
 
I hate to say it suzieqz, but your sister sounds like a bit of a buffoon if she thinks no practice but a laser will help protect her. First of all, who says the laser is actually on target if the pistol hasn't even been shot? I've bought 2 Sig Sauer pistols in the past that came with add on lasers on the rail and neither were correctly sighted in. And in the second place, good luck with her even seeing the darn laser in bright light unless the perp is within arm's reach. I don't know about the green lasers, but the red ones don't show up worth beans in bright daylight. And heaven forbid if the perp (target) is pretty close to the same color as the laser beam.
 
well, i can't seem to edit the title, for you laser lovers, but i tried.
i have no objection to people who know what they are doing using lasers.
 
Susie, have have seen the people with the same attitude as your sister and it's not pretty. Conceal carry class where they have to shoot, Can't hit the LE target at 10 yards and the laser is jumping all over the place.

She might get one decent shot off but a .40 cal in a light weight gun is pretty snappy. I can't shoot one but I can shoot .357, .41, & .45 in a heavier metal gun.

And yes, some instructors push the use of small semi-autos for self-defense.
 
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again, i have no objection to people who know what they are doing using lasers.
i assume that any member of this forum practices.
i'm not sure what they are good for tho. at the ranges you use a laser, do you really need any sight?
 
NEVER a laser on any of my handguns!!!

The closest I'll ever get to one mounted on anything is a reflex sight, along with a Streamlight, mounted on a Black Rifle for varmint control at night. And the sight is set on the finest green dot at the lowest brightness. There is just too much glare with the red.

I MIGHT think about getting one if I can find a Buck Rogers ray-gun pretty cheap at one of the local gun shows. :rolleyes:
 
the gun she has is a shield.
i doubt i could fire 100+ rounds with that, so, meaningful training is unlikely.
i talked myself blue in the face, explaining the advantages of full size, all metal guns to learn on, but it didn't work.
heck, that's all i shoot because i like to hit what i aim at.
yes, you can conceal a full size gun. i wear a cowboy drop holster all day long because it's comfy.
if i wanna conceal it, i just pull on a full skirt over it.
takes 2 seconds.
guys, i'm just venting here. i'm not criticizing your questionable choices.
 
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susieqz said:
ok, i get it. you guys love lasers,i should change the title to BAN STUPID SISTERS.
lasers wouldn't do me much good. i shoot at 25 n 50 yards.
if i point shoot it's from the hip.
i'm pretty good at this stuff, because i practice every single week.
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If they BAN STUPID SISTERS I would be the only child of my deceased parents. Mine's over sixty years old and still don't have an ounce of common sense.
 
Lasers are only good for when they are sighted to a certain distance.
Example...
I have a sreamlight with laser on my bedstand. It is sighted for the opposite wall. That's where the perp would be. This is a wake up to bad noises kinda thing. If I'm lucky.
Oh, the Streamlight has momentary as well as strobe.

So I can actuate light and laser and center-punch at that distance.
Anything closer or farther, it's gonna be high or low.
Daylight it is absolutely useless.
She needs to realize the limitations. But you already know that.
Sorry to ramble, but It's a specialized type of equipment. Certainly useless for everyday carry.
 
Your sister has a lot of company.

It's my unofficial decades-long casual observation that a great many with carry permits rarely fire the gun beyond what is required to obtain the permit.

As far as gun owners in general I'd be surprised if more than 10% show up to the range even once a year. A few years back, our club had a purging of the membership. About a third hadn't shown up in years. I'm sure some were lifetime members with expired lives, but still... tons of people who are members of shooting ranges don't even practice.

As gun enthusiasts we might see this as unacceptable. For the general public it's normal.
 
susieqz said:
the gun she has is a shield.
i doubt i could fire 100+ rounds with that, so, meaningful training is unlikely.
i talked myself blue in the face, explaining the advantages of full size, all metal guns to learn on, but it didn't work.
heck, that's all i shoot because i like to hit what i aim at.
yes, you can conceal a full size gun. i wear a cowboy drop holster all day long because it's comfy.
if i wanna conceal it, i just pull on a full skirt over it.
takes 2 seconds.
guys, i'm just venting here. i'm not criticizing your questionable choices.
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Hey suzie, I wish I could carry my full size 1911 like that but if I tried the full skirt I am afraid I would have a problem or two at the range!LOL, just kidding. I don't care for the lazer idea either, the only time I held one the range master at the Abilene gun club had one, I aimed at the wall and couldn't believe how unsteady my hand was. I gave it back to him and went to practice a little harder. I agree with you on your sisters choice of handgun, obviously you and her don't share the same ideals. Bet she doesn't like cats either! Good luck!
 
I use a 40c SW for my primary concealed carry. It took lots of practice to get competent with it. The 40 is definitely a round you need to practice with otherwise you will be shooting all over the place. The snap and recoil are way more than my 357 and 45's. I dont use a laser and would not be able to comment ont hat part.
 
susieqz said:
well, i can't seem to edit the title, for you laser lovers, but i tried.
i have no objection to people who know what they are doing using lasers.
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I might suggest getting your sister to take a basic NRA Training Class on Pistols to start her in the right direction. I suggest that you get people other than your family to talk to her about her pistol training, knowing how to clean the firearm safely, and the legal ways that she must store the weapon safely and legally.

I use an 9 mm Glock G-17 for my first handgun to uss the high capacity round magazine's I own in 17 rounds and 31 round in a Glock magazine.
We will end up purchasing a second Glock handgun in .40 caliper, .45 caliper, & 10 mm full size. The main reason is the ability to just change just the barrel to change calipers to any caliper, except 9 mm without changing a any parts. This is why I choose Glock, as my first choice. I just wish that I had acquired the Glock Gunsmith only manual, as I would have purchased a .40 caliper for this reason.
 
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