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i am watching the National Geographic show on the JKK assassination and I wondered about two items. How come Jack Ruby was in the parking garage on the day Lee Harvey Oswald was being transferred.

Secondly did long before did Lee Harvey Oswald get the job at the Book Depository before the route that JFK motorcade would take was announced??

I have a personal connection to this event, DR Kenneth Salyer, who saved my son's life in the 1980's, was a surgical resident at Parkland Hospital tried his best to save JFK's life.
 
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I forgot to mention I was a young 5 year old, and woke my mom up because my cartoons were not on and all the tv stations were showing the same news.
I will never forget my mom standing in our living room crying her heart out!
 
I truly believe that Ruby purposely silence Oswald to keep him from letting the real story out and although Oswald was somehow involved, he DEFINITELY had some help. We will NEVER know all the facts or the truth because I do not believe this was a one man job and was covered up.

Too many experts have tried the shots that Oswald "supposedly" fired (not under pressure like the real thing) and could not duplicate them even though they were using better Rifles and were under no pressure to really kill anyone.

Jack Ruby was "allowed" to be there to do what he had to do IMO.
 
I don't know the answers to your questions but there is a book called "I Heard You Paint Houses" about Frank Sheeran and his life in the mob. He puts forth a very convincing story about JFK and Jimmy Hoffa. Frank talks about Jack Ruby and other characters involved.
 
Ruby was nothing but a nut job and there’s no way his murder of Oswald was planned.

Oswald’s transfer had been delayed almost 90 minutes because a postal inspector had shown up to interview him.

At what had been the scheduled time of Oswald’s transfer, Ruby was still at home. He left later to get a money order for one of his dancers at a post office just down the street from DPD. The money order was time-stamped four minutes before he shot Oswald.

Oswald & Ruby were a couple of lone nut jobs. Nothing to see here.
 
When it comes to the JFK assassination, I'm a full-blown conspiracy theorist.

There are too many holes in the story to not be.

If one chooses to take "The Warren Report" at face value, that's entirely their own business.

If you bring up inconsistencies or have the gall to ask relevant and valid questions in any given story that the govt. has given us, especially today, you're labeled with "conspiracy theorist". That would be me, and I'm okay with it.
 
chief38 said:
I truly believe that Ruby purposely silence Oswald to keep him from letting the real story out and although Oswald was somehow involved, he DEFINITELY had some help. We will NEVER know all the facts or the truth because I do not believe this was a one man job and was covered up.

Too many experts have tried the shots that Oswald "supposedly" fired (not under pressure like the real thing) and could not duplicate them even though they were using better Rifles and were under no pressure to really kill anyone.
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Oh puhlease!!!

All of those “experts” have an interest in perpetuating conspiracy theories.

The famous shots were not that difficult. The first hit was estimated to be at 53 meters, the second at 81. A teenager with his deer rifle could’ve done it.

The only shot interval that could be measured conclusively was between the two that connected. Based on the frame rate of the film that time span was found to be (drum roll!) roughly five seconds! It’s estimated the time for all three could’ve been as much as eight seconds.

Seriously? What “expert” can’t do that?

The FBI examined and test fired the Carcano and found it more than capable of making the shots. In fact, they found point of impact to be slightly towards 2:00, giving Oswald a near-perfect, built-in lead for the angle of the shots.

CBS News conducted a test in 1967 with the Carcano and 11 volunteers who had never handled it before. All 11 managed three shots in under six seconds. All scored at least one hit, most scored two, and at least one shooter had three hits.

Case closed.

Unless you choose to believe the FBI, DPD, USPS, Warren Commission, and CBS news were all in on the conspiracy and have kept it secret for 55 years.
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The above is right on I would ask anyone with lingering doubts to read a copy of the book Case Closed. Additionally it has now been shown that Oswald had up to 11 seconds to fire all three shots. The latest forensic study carried out exhaustively at the TBD bears this out. Most of you on here are hunters/gun owners and one of the primary witnesses Gov. Connolly,a fellow hunter. stated repeatedly that there were 3 shots fired and they had come from the TBD.
One addition point and I rest my case. Also 60 + years later and not ONE piece of hard evidence has ever surfaced showing that Oswald didn't act alone.
 
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jtcarm said:
chief38 said:
I truly believe that Ruby purposely silence Oswald to keep him from letting the real story out and although Oswald was somehow involved, he DEFINITELY had some help. We will NEVER know all the facts or the truth because I do not believe this was a one man job and was covered up.

Too many experts have tried the shots that Oswald "supposedly" fired (not under pressure like the real thing) and could not duplicate them even though they were using better Rifles and were under no pressure to really kill anyone.
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Oh puhlease!!!

All of those “experts” have an interest in perpetuating conspiracy theories.

The famous shots were not that difficult. The first hit was estimated to be at 53 meters, the second at 81. A teenager with his deer rifle could’ve done it.

The only shot interval that could be measured conclusively was between the two that connected. Based on the frame rate of the film that time span was found to be (drum roll!) roughly five seconds! It’s estimated the time for all three could’ve been as much as eight seconds.

Seriously? What “expert” can’t do that?

The FBI examined and test fired the Carcano and found it more than capable of making the shots. In fact, they found point of impact to be slightly towards 2:00, giving Oswald a near-perfect, built-in lead for the angle of the shots.

CBS News conducted a test in 1967 with the Carcano and 11 volunteers who had never handled it before. All 11 managed three shots in under six seconds. All scored at least one hit, most scored two, and at least one shooter had three hits.

Case closed.

Unless you choose to believe the FBI, DPD, USPS, Warren Commission, and CBS news were all in on the conspiracy and have kept it secret for 55 years.
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italiansport said:
The above is right on I would ask anyone with lingering doubts to read a copy of the book Case Closed. Additionally it has now been shown that Oswald had up to 11 seconds to fire all three shots. The latest forensic study carried out exhaustively at the TBD bears this out. Most of you on here are hunters/gun owners and one of the primary witnesses Gov. Connolly stated repeatedly that there were 3 shots fired and they had come from the TBD.
One addition point and I rest my case. Also 60 + years later and not ONE piece of hard evidence has ever surfaced showing that Oswald didn't act alone.
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EXACTLY! People can't keep their mouths shut. With the internet NOTHING can be kept secret for long these days.
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I get it that.....

...Jack Ruby was well known by many high placed 'actors' in Dallas. They played up his patriotism and how angry he was about the assasination but I think it likely that he was in the whole thing all along and was 'encouraged' by others to get Oswald out of the picture.

I'm not 100% sure but I believe Oswald got the job a few weeks before the assassination. Maybe he was a 'patsy' like he said, but he surely fired shots at JFK.

What I don't understand is that Connally was implicated by some to be 'in' on the assassination, but if that's true, why in the world was he sitting in line with Kennedy and the shooters. So I doubt his collusion.

Connally definitely believed there was more than one shooter and that he was afraid of an assassination attempt before the motorcade.

That's an interesting connection knowing someone that was close to JFK during that time. With a shot like that shown in the Zapruder film, it's probably merciful that he didn't survive.:(

If you have contact with the doctor, ask him about the disagreement in autopsy photos of the head wound as well as sketches. Again, that shot shown in the film didn't just make a big hole in the back of his head like shown in the drawing.

I don't think the Warren report 'lied', but neither do I think that all was told.
 
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I’m a fully recovered conspiracy-holic. So I’ve been there.

I have no intention of rehashing all the details here. But for every “suspicious” fact the conspiracy buffs have come up with, there is either a logical explanation fitting with Oswald being the lone assassin, and Ruby being a somewhat unstable impulsive guy in the wrong place at the wrong time, or it turns out to be not a fact at all. Especially the various “inconsistencies” from the day of JFK’s death that conspiracy buffs are so in love with: Given the chaos of that day, the only thing suspicious would be if everything matched.

It’s the same with Martin Luther King. By the time James Earl Ray died in 1998, with the help of some clever publicity hounds, he actually managed to convince King’s family of the existence of a conspiracy and that he was just a patsy. They still believe that today, as I read just the other day. None of the actual evidence points to anyone but Ray. Some people’s lives and reputations were actually ruined when various conspiracy peddlers accused them of being part of the plot or a cover-up, and they had to spend years in court trying to clear their name.

People just want important consequential personalities to have important consequential deaths. A weird sort-of-Communist ex-Marine with a surplus carbine or a small-fry criminal racist with a hunting rifle, both “getting lucky” without much preparation, just doesn’t fit that. So people fabricate the big story.
 
George Bush did not blow up the WTC with thermite 'bombs'.

RobertJ. said:
When it comes to the JFK assassination, I'm a full-blown conspiracy theorist.

There are too many holes in the story to not be.

If one chooses to take "The Warren Report" at face value, that's entirely their own business.

If you bring up inconsistencies or have the gall to ask relevant and valid questions in any given story that the govt. has given us, especially today, you're labeled with "conspiracy theorist". That would be me, and I'm okay with it.
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Anybody who knows a MODICUM of science can disprove the 'evidence' that the the moon landings were staged.

The government is not using every hgh flying plane to spray chemicals. They are CONTRAILS and have been there since planes have been able to fly high enough.

If they found a body double for Paul McCartney they sure found a dang talented one.

Crop circles are made by people with careful guidance stomping around in fields.

Just stating that I'm not a 'conspiracy theorist', but there are way too many holes, motives, conflicting evidence, etc., etc in the JFK thing. The only thing I'm sure of is that Oswald took some shots at JFK from the book depository. Whether that's all there is to it or the mafia, Castro, Soviets, political enemies and about everybody else had something to do with it, is all in the realm of possibility.
 
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If the Carcano bolt was stiff......

...a little extra grease to make a few shots would probably help. And watching soldiers with the technique to operate a bolt gun in rapid repeat fire I know that one shooter could do it. All of the new technology to analyze the audio evidence hasn't answered any questions and probably raised new ones.
 
The one thing that still bothers me about the incident is the fact that the bullet that was recovered from JFK's head,,the one that actually killed him, was in dozens if not hundreds of tiny fragments that were picked out of the brain and flesh according to the autopsy
Why would a 6.5 CArcano FMJ bullet fragment like that. The Commission never spent any time looking in to that situation, but did into the so called 'pristine bullet' found on the stretcher. The latter of course not being pristine, but what you often see a FMJ bullet do after passing through 'stuff'.
That one that hit JFK in the head reacted more like a HV light jacketed HP or SP.

AFA the 3 shots in 8 seconds or 11 seconds,,what ever it was.
Remember the clock starts when the first of those is fired,,not when someone says 'go'.
Lots of time.
 
jtcarm said:
chief38 said:
I truly believe that Ruby purposely silence Oswald to keep him from letting the real story out and although Oswald was somehow involved, he DEFINITELY had some help. We will NEVER know all the facts or the truth because I do not believe this was a one man job and was covered up.

Too many experts have tried the shots that Oswald "supposedly" fired (not under pressure like the real thing) and could not duplicate them even though they were using better Rifles and were under no pressure to really kill anyone.
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Oh puhlease!!!

All of those “experts” have an interest in perpetuating conspiracy theories.

The famous shots were not that difficult. The first hit was estimated to be at 53 meters, the second at 81. A teenager with his deer rifle could’ve done it.

The only shot interval that could be measured conclusively was between the two that connected. Based on the frame rate of the film that time span was found to be (drum roll!) roughly five seconds! It’s estimated the time for all three could’ve been as much as eight seconds.

Seriously? What “expert” can’t do that?

The FBI examined and test fired the Carcano and found it more than capable of making the shots. In fact, they found point of impact to be slightly towards 2:00, giving Oswald a near-perfect, built-in lead for the angle of the shots.

CBS News conducted a test in 1967 with the Carcano and 11 volunteers who had never handled it before. All 11 managed three shots in under six seconds. All scored at least one hit, most scored two, and at least one shooter had three hits.

Case closed.

Unless you choose to believe the FBI, DPD, USPS, Warren Commission, and CBS news were all in on the conspiracy and have kept it secret for 55 years.
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The Gov't did NOT want the truth getting out! It would have exposed too many back room deals corruption and could have escalated hostilities with foreign Gov't's which LBJ did not want. Remember, the Kennedy's had many enemies both Nationwide and Worldwide!

It is WELL KNOWN that Kennedys father used Sam Giancarno (a big Chicago Mobster) to help Kennedy get elected. His Brother Bobby was appointed Atty. General and actually started a war on Organized Crime - basically going after Giancarno! Cuba's Castro had hatred for Kennedy after the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Bay of Pigs, and the Russians hated Kennedy as well. All I know is that JFK had many people who did not like him!

I do not know exactly who did what and why, but I do not believe that ONE MAN did this himself. I also don't believe Jack Ruby killed Oswald out of patriotism alone!

Ask 100 people questions about the Kennedy Assassination and get 100 different theory's. I'm sure there is a lot more to the story than we will ever know! Back then the main stream media reported the information that was officially released by the Gov't - no more no less, so don't take what they reported as Gospel!
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I'm 70 and part of the vast majority of folks my age that believe; Oswald was the only shooter ( any experienced deer hunter can easliy fire 3 accurate shots with a scoped bolt action rifle at a running Whitetail at 35 to 75 yards in 9 seconds or less). However, Oswald was definitely not working alone. He was the shooter, and simply a "patsy" in the whole scheme. The hit was ordered by Sam Giancana, and Ruby was part of the plan.
 
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On March 12, 1963 Lee Harvey Oswald, using an assumed name, rented a
post office box. He ordered the rifle by mail from an ad in the February
1963 issue of American Rifleman magazine. Shown below left.

He ordered the rifle from the ad on page 65 of said magazine, shown
in photo 2nd from left below.

The rifle was ordered from Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago. It is
third rifle from the top of the ad in the left side column. It is an
Italian military 6.5 x 52MM military rifle. It is called a Carcano Carbine.
He paid $19.95 for the rifle with a 4 power scope. The ad says one
could get a six round clip and 108 rounds of ammo for an additional $7.50.

The assissination occured on November 22, 1963. It was a sad day.
John Kennedy was a much loved president.

Two days later, November 24, 1963 we were watching live television
when Lee Harvey Oswald was being moved from the basement of the
Dallas, Texas Police Station to a more secure location. Jack Ruby,
owner of a local strip joint, stepped forward and fired a single shot,
from his Colt Cobra .38 special revolver, fatally wounding Oswald.

Some thought of Ruby as a hero. Some thought he assassinated Oswald
to cover up a conspiracy. Some say there must have been more than one
shooter.

I owned the same rifle. I had bought it for my wife's deer hunting rifle.
I know, from first hand experience, that the rifle is fast and accurate
enough to do what Oswald did with it.
 

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