This guy killed his wife and was holding his kid hostage when Akron coppers made a SWAT entry. He absorbed some shotgun bean bag rounds without going down, then took this MP5 shot to the gourd.

He doesn't even look that pissed about it.




Here is a news story about the incident.

Apologies if this has been posted before, I don't remember seeing it.

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This guy killed his wife and was holding his kid hostage when Akron coppers made a SWAT entry. He absorbed some shotgun bean bag rounds without going down, then took this MP5 shot to the gourd.

He doesn't even look that pissed about it.




Here is a news story about the incident.

Apologies if this has been posted before, I don't remember seeing it.

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His Neanderthal/Cro-magnum extra thick forehead save his sorry butt. The Akron coppers shoulda done a Mozambique drill instead.

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Hard to believe of an upstanding looking young citizen like that? Had he considered starting to turn his life around, or did that vicious storm trooper thug cop's weapon whipping of him knock the idea out of his head? That's gonna' go on that cop's permanent record!

I wonder if he would still be so pretty if he took one to the noggin from your MP5/10?

bob

He's such a goooooood boy

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It hit him in a spot where there wasn't much to damage...

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I agree with Jack Flash. Look at those eyes, obivous the bullet entered and EMPTY spot in his head

He should shave a small fire break between those eyebrows.

Tell me again what caliber the MP5 uses.
I'm just sayin'...

WG840

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The article calls the gun the officer used a "mp5 assault weapon" I am so sick of incorrect terms in the media etc...

MP5 sub machine gun people- geez its really not that hard!

Just wasn't his time to die

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Unibrows are well known to be bullet resistant.

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I would like to know what load was used in that MP5 because I want to be darn sure I never buy any!

I wouldn't knock the ammo based on this alone... It appears it was a one shot stop.

The goal is to end the fight, right?

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Do you think he had a headache after that?

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Someone actually married that guy?

Well, at least they now know where NOT to put the needle to execute him..all5x

a shame that the shooter didn't keep the trigger back a little longer...

Wow. I will make a mental note not to shoot ape headed people in the nogan.

As an aside, he kind of looks like "Randy" on "My Name is Earl"

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...them unibrows got REAL tough heads...





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"I shot an arrow into the air. Where it landed....."

S#&t, That's where it went!!!

WG840

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+1 on this! A good old fashioned 45 woulda done the trick. Yet another reason I dont carry a 9mm

Just today I was thinking about getting a R9 Rohrbaugh (380 sized 9mm). I’m glad I saw this, what was I thinking?
I would expect that from a 25 ACP or a 22 but not a 9 out of a carbine. No 9s for me.

I’m glad he gets to rot in jail but, man!

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The only 9mm i own is a nice vintage browning high power. I dont shoot it much except when i take wifey or new shooter to the range due to low recoil, nor do i keep it handy for home defense. Now i remember why.

that is one fugly dude.

I load my MP5 with 30 rounds. Has the ammo shortage put a stress on the Police ammo supply in Akron? 1, 3, or thirty come out the front end of an MP5 really quick; Akron uses too much fire control in my opinion.

Agree w/ concern about number of shots. I have trained some w/ LE w/ MP5. Standard practice seems to be 3 shot bursts to COM, then 2 to head (they have gotten away from the term "double tap," don't know why). But in hostage situations seems to be 2 to head, which is supposed to put the lights out. This seems to be some combination of thick skull, wrong ammo, not enough shots.

Hat's off to those cops. They did what they were supposed to do well.

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I agree with Jim, unless I'm missing something.

The situation was successfully resolved with the child safe and sound. One shot incapacitated him and ended the confrontation, didn't it?

Maybe Tice deserves to die for killing his wife, but she wasn't exactly blameless herself. I can understand how something like that could make a guy snap is all I'm saying.

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IT'S THOSE EXTRA THICK BUCKEYE HEADS AGAIN

For those who seem concerned about Mr. Tice's welfare, I agree that it is better he was not killed outright especially since he may have been bipolar. Yes, he deserves a trial now that he has survived.

None of us know the exact circumstances under which police felt compelled to shoot him. However, it seems likely that the police intended to kill him, and if that is the case, the gun and ammunition combination failed miserably! Unless the shot was a ricochet or had to penetrate something before hitting Tice I don't see why it didn't kill him outright. I suspect the police are also concerned that when they needed a killing shot their equipment failed to perform.

It turns out that police did fire more than one shot at Tice. The first shot from the MP5 apparently missed. The police resorted to the MP5 only because an officer's AR15 failed to fire!

"A sniper tried to fire his AR-15 assault rifle, but the trigger jammed. A second SWAT sniper twice fired his MP5 assault rifle. One shot missed; another struck Tice's forehead, penetrating to the bone and bouncing off."

Also the police could have used either the .40 or 10mm versions of the MP5, so the 9mm may not have been a part of the problem.

However, this kind of thing isn't unprecedented. A local police SWAT team member was struck several years in about the same place with a shot from an M1 cabine fired from almost point blank range. The shot struck the very edge of a ballistic shield the officer was holding. The officer had bullet fragments embed in his head and had to retire, but like Tice, he is alive.


More information:

http://www.thesuburbanite.com/...and-killing-his-wife

http://www.cleveland.com/plain...986157950.xml&coll=2

The MP5 also comes in the "K" version which is in .380 and this might also been the cartridge used and the amount of penetration would have been even less than that of a 9mm Luger round.

Also, the one thing about gun shot wounds that is an "absolute" - ALL of them are different!!!

MP5 K is only available in 9mm. You might be confusing the nomenclature of calling the 380 "9mm kurz", but HK doesn't make this in anything less than 9mm.

I seem to remember that one...

I shot an arrow into the air,
It came to earth, I know not where.
Until the next day with rage profound,
The man it fell on came around.
In less time than it takes to tell,
He showed me where my arrow fell.
Now I do not greatly care,
To shoot more arrows into the air.

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Hey! The Lions could use a cement-head like that at offensive tackle!

You know,I after I read the whole article, I felt sorry for the guy. His brother and wife betrayed him, and then she asks for a divorce. He snapped! It isn't an excuse, but I have to admit, in my life there are times I could have taken the dark road. I thank God I didn't.

The MP5K is NOT a .380 it is 9mm.

If I were to guess why a 9mm performed so poorly against this individual, I would have to guess the shooter was using a MP5SD, which has a ported barrel so 115 and 124 gr. pill will stay subsonic. Shooting 147 gr. bullets through a SD gives some pretty anemic velocities.

100% correct, only 380 HK ever made was the HK4 pistol

I would disagree, he didn’t “snap”. He murdered his wife and held his kid hostage. People don’t snap.

Emory

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It is not a ballistic failure, it is a failure as to proper targeting. It has been discussed heavily on a couple of more hardcore forums. The proper target on a frontal headshot is the triangle formed by the outside edges of the eyes and the upper portion of the bottom of the nose.

While I don't care to rely on my thick skull for defense, that is in fact it's design, and anyone who relies on a handgun bullet to penetrate that is a fool. In addition, the correct portion of the brain to hit is below the forehead.

Google up "Dr. Williams" and "Tactical Anatomy".

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Where to aim:

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One demerit point to the AAkron cops.Should have been full auto and dispatched this fine citizen.......Mike

Who Nelly does that look like a Lobotomy gone wrong

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People do snap ... but if he truly snapped he'd have killed the kid he was later holding hostage as well

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Sig, thanks for the charts.