MEDICARE ADVANTAGE-----IS IT?

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Given a fair number of "Senior Citizens" hereabouts, I thought this might well be of interest.

In the beginning, a loooooooooooong time ago, I went on Medicare. It's good stuff, never mind it's the only game in town for most of us. It pays for your healthcare needs---some of it anyhow. Given the desire for something to pay for what Medicare doesn't, two options are offered by what I'll call the private (non government) insurance industry. One such is known as Medicare Supplement coverage---the other as Medicare Advantage. Medicare Supplement is good stuff----pays for damn near any and everything Medicare doesn't. (My only personal experience involved three days in Cardiac Intensive Care, three more days in (regular, everyday cardiac care), and the tab was $60,000. I paid exactly NOTHING out of pocket!)

After a spell on Supplement coverage (with ever increasing premiums as the clock ticked over another year), I switched to Medicare Advantage---costs less, pays less---think of it as "Supplement Light".

In both cases, my impression was Medicare called the shots. (They paid what your doctor(s)/other providers charged---in accord with the terms of the particular contracts----with NO INVOLVEMENT in determining what was or was not appropriate treatment. In other words, your providers did their thing as they deemed appropriate, billed Medicare and whatever other coverage you had, and that was that.

Enter the "new and improved" Advantage: It now seems the Advantage carriers are calling the shots---as to what is and is not appropriate treatment for whatever ails you----rather than your doctor(s). (!!)

My experience: I'd been waiting a good spell for treatment prescribed by my doctors. When I asked my lead doctor about the delay, I was told my Advantage carrier was requiring "Pre-certification" of the treatment---and that THEY had declined to approve his first two submissions----and that he was working on the THIRD submissions----and that Medicare had nothing to do with any of this---besides what they'd pay when they were billed by the doctor. Given possessed of a fairly short fuse, I fired my Advantage carrier straightaway, and told the doctor to get on with it, and that I'd pick up the tab as need be. He did, and I did.

Then I went shopping for Supplement coverage---the good stuff! The good stuff is expensive ($200 and something per month in my case)---which is understandable--and while it's understandable, it made me think.

Here's what I thought: I thought I might very well forget about any protection over and above Medicare, and tend to such charges out of pocket. So I did just that!

Here's how that's working out: Instead of paying $200 and something each month for insurance over the past coming up four years, I've paid what Medicare didn't out of pocket. I kept close track of it for awhile. After about two years, and out of pocket about $800, I decided keeping close track of it was a waste of time. Now, after about four years, it's somewhere just a bit over $1,000. If that strikes you as chump change, you're right on target!!

Here's another thing I've learned----very recently! The TV is AWASH with commercials for Medicare Advantage insurance. That means the Advantage insurance companies are paying the TV folks STAGGERING sums of money for this "air time"!! AND that means the Advantage premiums they're collecting minus the claims they're paying make it all worthwhile----BIG TIME!!

Now I'm not advocating doing what I did for any and everybody. It depends on your ongoing healthcare needs---and the cost thereof. If your situation is such that you need additional protection, buy the Supplement coverage---the good stuff! "It only costs a little more to go first class!"

My conclusion after all this is Medicare Advantage is NOW a scam! It didn't used to be, but it for damn sure is now!! God forbid the same thing happens with the Supplement programs!

Ralph Tremaine
 
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I don't think Medicare Advantage plans are a scam, but I do think not all plans are the same, with some being terrible and some being very good. You also need to find a plan tailored to your needs — good coverage for your drugs, your doctors, your lifestyle — and available to residents of your county of residence.

As has been discussed in several threads, there are licensed medicare brokers who can help you find the right plans for you, as well as free advice offered by state governments.

Medicare itself also annually rates mdicare advantage plans: What Are the Medicare Star Ratings?
 
Here's what I know about Medicare Advanage (which isn't much, this is just from my parents and their friends).

My folks are patients at the Mayo Clinic. They have just straight Medicare (no Advantage or other supplement plans). They have friends who have Medicare + an Advantage plan (don't know which). Mayo will NOT take them as a patient.
 
I am a survivor of some nasty cancer. Before I signed up with my particular medicare advantage plan provider, i called up MD Anderson, Sloan Kettering and Mayo to ask if they would take the plan I was considering if I needed their care. They said they would.

You need to do your research to be sure your needs are covered with whatever plan you choose.
 
I've heard a few stories about doctors not getting their treatment plan approved with the private insurance companies. One was a freeze treatment for prostate cancer. They didn't approve the freeze treatment because they consider it experimental.

As I mentioned in another post, my wife and I travel a lot. I didn't want to worry about finding a clinic or hospital that accepted a specific Advantage plan. I keep Medicare and bought a supplemental [medigap] plan.

I have also read a few govt officials want Advantage plans to stop using "Medicare Advantage". It's not medicare, it's simply private health insurance.
 
I’m also a patient at Mayo.
No way I’m going to jeopardize that level of care with an “Advantage Plan”.
Copayments on basic Medicare at trivial once your deductible is met.
I expect healthcare to cover catastrophic injuries and major medical expenses. Not every nickel and dime expense.
 
Like my local presbyterian Senior Plan.
Pres is a large local Medical Provider.
I should mention that I have good fortune of excellent health.
So am I a Fortunate Son?
Hell Yes!
 
I just turned 65. This Medicare stuff makes my eyes glaze over.

I kept BC/BS Federal into retirement. My wife (60) is covered under that. They sent me a Medicare card, so I guess I have that too.

I’m sure I’m paying more than I would need to, but its worth it to not have to think about it.
 
Since 2004 my medical expense receipts would fill a barge. My OOP has been microscopic by comparison. I am under the network blankets of The Christ Hospital, Bethesda Hospital and Kettering Hospital. My levels of care have been stellar.

I have no complaints about the insurance system as it pertains to me.

What a country!
 
I kept Medicare A&B with UHC "AARP supplement." Paid for tests, doctor visits, dentist, glasses, drugs on top of a $250/mo premium. Switched to Humana "PPO Gold Plus" and no premium, no drug costs (I only take 3 Rx that are generic) routine dental cleanings $0, $30 co-pay for specialist visits, $400/ yr glasses allowance, $200 OTC yearly. Yes, the co-pay (deductible is almost $5K) for hospital stays but in 2 years I have saved $6K in premiums.
Health Insurance is a scam but hey, who's looking out for "us?"

PS, they won't quit calling until Pearl Harbor day (Dec 7) just because they can. Joe
 
My supplement (Aetna) has gone up from $250 to $280/month recently. But it covers 100% of most everything, including prescriptions and most dental. I can afford it at my age. Fortunately my wife retired from the State, and her retirement plan includes good supplemental health coverage as part of it. And she has needed it for both cancer and heart surgery. So I need to pay only for mine.
 
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I just turned 65. This Medicare stuff makes my eyes glaze over.

I kept BC/BS Federal into retirement. My wife (60) is covered under that. They sent me a Medicare card, so I guess I have that too.

I’m sure I’m paying more than I would need to, but its worth it to not have to think about it.
Same here, hardly ever have any out of pocket expenses and have yet to find any provider that doesn’t accept it. BC/BS can be a bit expensive but the knowledge that it’s going to cover everything we need is priceless
 
After two trips to the ER, I was recently hospitalized with near-fatal blood clots in both lungs. Several doctors said I was lucky to have standard Medicare instead of all the "alternatives" and to keep the standard. A week in ICU and I paid nada.
 
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After two trips to the ER, I was recently hospitalized with near-fatal blood clots in both lungs. Several doctors said I was lucky to have standard Medicare instead of all the "alternatives" and to keep the standard. A week in ICU and I paid nada.

Same story, I developed sepsis of the knee last year. Doc told me the stuff is serious. In the hospital 4 days, surgery, a month in rehab for an intravenous dose of antibiotics everyday. The lady that ran the insurance at the rehab said I had the good Medicare
Group A, B and G handled by Blue Cross. Never paid a cent.
 
After two trips to the ER, I was recently hospitalized with near-fatal blood clots in both lungs. Several doctors said I was lucky to have standard Medicare instead of all the "alternatives" and to keep the standard. A week in ICU and I paid nada.

PE? You are fortunate to be alive. Had that back in 4/2020.
 
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PE? You are fortunate to be alive. Had that back in 4/2020.

That's what they all said. Came from my leg, they determined. Unprovoked. No clue or signs or history I had a leg clot. Just got really short of breath. First ER trip they saw "something" on a CT scan (no contrast--allergic) and thought start of pneumonia. Three days later about collapsed going to mailbox, so back to ER. Whatever they saw when checking vitals sent me directly to exam room and a swarm of doctors and nurses working on me. Another scan, with contrast this time, showed the lung clots and they found one in my left leg. Six days later they let me leave.
 
Medicare premiums and plans are offered to you by what county you live in. My local medical center is not affiliated with Advantage plans who want you to go to the next big town. The locals will apologize to you if they can't fit you in the next day. I keep a supplement.
 
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