Does the Air Force wear Army uniforms??

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I was out the other day on the turn pike and stopped at a rest stop. Getting back into my car I noticed a few servicemen piling out of a car. I thought they were Army guys because of their camo pattern, but when they walked buy I swear they said Air Force on them. Does this make sense? I'm sure someone here knows.
 
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No, but the new USAF digital camo doesshare the colors of the ACU.

It would make sense however. When all wore the BDU there was a common camo uniform. Saves bucks, storage, manudacturing, etc. Not the Navy uses DCUs, the Army ACUs, the USAF their camo uniform, and the USMC two camo uniforms. That doesn't make sence and isn't the best stewardship of tax payers' dollars. No need to have so manyt combat uniforms in service at same time.
 
MrJT,

The Air Force has it’s own uniform now; the ABU (Airman Battle Uniform). It is similar to the Army’s ACUs in color, but its digital pattern is different. The ABU has a digital tiger stripe pattern. BDUs are still authorized in most locations until 2011 (or 2012, not sure right now). Its permanent press so there is no more ironing. The rank in worn on the sleeves for enlisted personnel , and on the collar for officers (Senior Airman, E-4 in my photo). Organizational patches are no longer worn on the top two front pockets. Occupational badges are worn over the U.S. Air Force tape (Enlisted Aircrew in my photo). The patrol hat is the same as with the BDUs, but in the dig. tiger stripe pattern. Boonies can be worn in deployed locations. The T-shirt is sand colored, as is the rigger’s belt. Boots are no shine foliage green (tan is authorized only until 2011 or 12). The blouse sleeves are authorized to be rolled up (folded, actually) on ABUs. ACU pattern body armor is worn by Air Force personnel. The ABUs also don’t have the velcro for patches.

Two photos for you: The first is my ABU blouse, the second are my boots. Although its small, I’m wearing ABUs, not ACUs in my avatar.

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Uniforms and uniform regulations have changed so much since the dark ages, that I never know what to expect service members to be wearing. Back in the day, wearing fatigues off post, except coming and going, was a very big no-no. Today I would faint if I actually saw somebody except the Marine recruiter in a Class A uniform.
 
Originally posted by imjin138:
I still like my khaki uniform for class b wear. To bad the Army did away with them


i agree that was one nice looking uniform
 
The uniforms change to fit the current war.

From my limited experience in the Army: Early 1960's we had the OD cotton, starched for the parade field. Then a wash & wear version of the solid green. The along came jungle fatigues, good idea for the VietNam era & location. After we lost that war everything went to green BDU's, both Cotton and quick dry versions; think Europe and South America. Then to the sandbox with a mixture, evolved into the Tan BDU's (about this time I retired) and now into the various grey versions.

Besides dressing for the occasion, those uniforms have to be procured from factories. Think Government contracts and all the potential there.

I hope the quality of uniforms that the soldiers are getting now is up to their needs. I certainly hope they are not just meeting the needs of Senators & politicians to award contracts to their home states and campaign contributors.

rayb
 
Originally posted by Muley Gil:
THe USAF was wearing the same camo as the Navy a few years ago (2007), including a Marine Corps style utility cap.

When I enlisted we were still wearing the woodland BDUs. I had DCUs for my first deployment. By Marine style utility cap.. do you mean the 8 point cap? We didn't wear those.
 
Originally posted by The Last Standing Knight:
You ought to see the new USN uniforms...look TOO similiar to the USMC.

Cammies for shipboard sailors? Why?
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The branches are all supposed to look different from each other

Huh?

The new Navy Uniform is blue gray and doesn't look at all like Marpat uniforms - either the green ones or the tan ones. Some Navy assignments previously had sailors wearing Marine camo ashore, this didn't sit well with the Marines, since they didn't want non Marines wearing Marine uniforms.

All the Navy uniforms are changing, not just the work uniforms.

Unlike the Army, and perhaps the Airforce, the Navy and Marines consider cammies a "dirty" uniform, so someone isn't supposed to be out and about in town, running errands, etc, wearing one.
 
rayb--True, the new uniforms are supposed to better against NVGs. However, most of the Army guys I know would like a few minutes alone with the genius who thought lots of Velcro on a combat uniform was a great idea.

And, as posited earlier, why can't the services use the same uniform? They fight for the same country, right?

USAF385--Muley Gil's right. We wore the Marine 8-pointer in the desert for a while after 2001. It was an alternative to the boonie hat. Sharp hat, but it looked really weird with a flight suit, IMO.

Gator-- I agree with you. The Navy replacement for the DCU doesn't look anything like MARPATs. To me, it looks like somebody threw up on a Coastie work uniform. Won't it be fun trying to find the guy wearing those after he falls overboard?

Back to the original topic, there are some limited times when AF guys have been allowed to wear ACU's (the Army uniform). These are generally guys embedded with the Army. You won't see it stateside. Now that the ABU (Approved for Boardroom Use) outfit is out and looks so similar to the ACU, there's really no reason to do it.
 
That's the same 3 stripe E-4 I had on my uniforms (59-63) but they were either Blue (dress or class B), or summer 505's (khaki), or the funky gray/green fatigues. We all hated those fatigues so we all wore Army fatigues.

I'm glad to hear they now consider E-4 Sr. Airman.
 
Originally posted by Herknav:

USAF385--Muley Gil's right. We wore the Marine 8-pointer in the desert for a while after 2001. It was an alternative to the boonie hat. Sharp hat, but it looked really weird with a flight suit, IMO.

Weird! I guess when I came around that went out of favor. You should see the new ABU blouses... they have internal map pockets... which means there is an extra thick layer of fabric on your chest. In hot weather it was awful! Worst idea ever not starting production offering ones with and without the map pockets. Finally they've started making them without. They caught on once Airmen kept cutting the map pockets out of their uniforms....

The boots are nice... no shine... However they are almost impossible to clean if you get anything other than dirt on them.
 
" However, most of the Army guys I know would like a few minutes alone with the genius who thought lots of Velcro on a combat uniform was a great idea."

It's my understanding that everything the Marine Corps rejected in a utility uniform, the Army adopted.
 
A few words on the evils of USAF utility unitorms.

For a good period of time (~1988-2006) USAF issued the woodland camo pattern BDUs (as did the other services) and also issued the desert pattern (DCUs, first the chocolate chip pattern ~2000, then the three-color pattern some folks still wear.) The Corps broke from the BDU pattern first with their digital-pattern cammies, then the Army, then USAF and finally, USN as of this year.

USAF385, IMHO, has it right with the read on the ABUs... OK, but needs fixes. The lighter-weight ABUs will be available this summer, but who knows how long it'll take to get them. Thankfully, the map pocket ABUs have been out of production for about a year now...nobody I know misses them.

I have to agree with others that the service-specific utility uniforms are a poor choice. We've been down this road for a while now, and it ain't too hard to see what the best features of the various types are. Consolidate the best features, standardize, and stop spending $$ on multiple uniforms... God knows there's a better use for the money.

Now, as a cranky old Lt Col, I could go on about the boots. Suffice it to say that they share the virtues of the Army tan ones, and given a good layer of dust, will *kinda* blend into a desert environment. Unless we start fighting in spruce forests, the tan ones are just fine... don't need green boots. USAF is looking at allowing fightline personnel (maintainers) to wear the black boots, as the green ones are dirt magnets, not to mention lack durability.

Howver, I gotta give props to the Navy, if for no other reason that their new utilities make the ABU look... better. I pity the first sailor who falls overboard in them, 'cause there ain't no way you'll be able to see them in an ocean. (Granted, the woodland cammies weren't any easier to see in water, but dark blue cammies? For sailors? D'oh!)
 
Even when they wore the BDU, the USAF BDU was a little different than the Army. I am in TN State Guard and we still wear the Woodland BDU uniform, When the PX ran out of Army BDUs I bought the USAF BDU. Collar is a little smaller and the fit is a little more like a uniform (tapered) than the Army BDU. I think a lot of USAF bought the Army ones though and it was acceptable. You have to look real close to see the difference. I actually like the USAF BDU better, it fits better and has just enough"taper" to look better. Camo Pattern is exactly the same though.
 
Originally posted by wjh2657:
Even when they wore the BDU, the USAF BDU was a little different than the Army. I am in TN State Guard and we still wear the Woodland BDU uniform, When the PX ran out of Army BDUs I bought the USAF BDU. Collar is a little smaller and the fit is a little more like a uniform (tapered) than the Army BDU. I think a lot of USAF bought the Army ones though and it was acceptable. You have to look real close to see the difference. I actually like the USAF BDU better, it fits better and has just enough"taper" to look better. Camo Pattern is exactly the same though.

Not quite. Sounmds like the Army ones you has were old versions and the new USAF ones you bought were the same as the newer ones the Army had. The reson I know this is that for logistics simplicity, the military omnly sourced one BDU at a time. There were three different BDUs over the years.
 
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