Strange FTF on .44 magnum Stealth Hunter

They've had it for over two weeks, now they say it will be finished in another 7-10 working days. Pretty slow for a warranty repair on a $1600 revolver.
 
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I hadn't received any email to know to expect it, but FedEx dropped off the gun this afternoon. The paperwork is puzzling, and I am not sure exactly what they did.

Under "Requested Service" it just shows the model and serial number of the gun, plus "CSRVLR CS Repairs - Revolvers". That's it, nothing at all about why I sent it to them.

Then under "Performed service:" it says "Evaluate / Repair" and "replace barrel"

Under that there is a long list of parts, including the grey plastic case and the red cable lock, each of which has the part number, description, and a place to mark it "Repaired" or "Replaced". NONE of the parts are checked for either Repaired or Replaced.

Then it says who created the service notification and who received the goods.

That's it. Nothing about fixing the failure to follow up stuff at all. I can tell they DID replace the barrel, because there were a couple small scratches on the original one on the under barrel rib, and the one on it now does not have those scratches.

The forcing cone has razor sharp edges and burrs just like the old one. However, they closed up the barrel to cylinder gap so it is now only a tight 0.004" (which is a big improvement over how it was when I sent it in).

I have not had a chance to shoot it yet, but the whole work order says nothing about the problem I sent it in for (failure to carry up). In addition, there are two deep scratches clear through the finish down to bare metal on the left side of the frame that most definitely were not there when I sent it in.

This is the worst job of documenting what they did I have ever seen on a repair. I hope they fixed it, but there is sure no indication that they did, plus they managed to put deep gouges all the way down to bare steel in the gun.

I am pretty darn disappointed in S&W at this point. This is one of their more expensive revolvers ($1619 MSRP). I would think it deserves a little more care than this.

Probably shoulda bought a Taurus.
 
I hadn't received any email to know to expect it, but FedEx dropped off the gun this afternoon. The paperwork is puzzling, and I am not sure exactly what they did.

Under "Requested Service" it just shows the model and serial number of the gun, plus "CSRVLR CS Repairs - Revolvers". That's it, nothing at all about why I sent it to them.

Then under "Performed service:" it says "Evaluate / Repair" and "replace barrel"

Under that there is a long list of parts, including the grey plastic case and the red cable lock, each of which has the part number, description, and a place to mark it "Repaired" or "Replaced". NONE of the parts are checked for either Repaired or Replaced.

Then it says who created the service notification and who received the goods.

That's it. Nothing about fixing the failure to follow up stuff at all. I can tell they DID replace the barrel, because there were a couple small scratches on the original one on the under barrel rib, and the one on it now does not have those scratches.

The forcing cone has razor sharp edges and burrs just like the old one. However, they closed up the barrel to cylinder gap so it is now only a tight 0.004" (which is a big improvement over how it was when I sent it in).

I have not had a chance to shoot it yet, but the whole work order says nothing about the problem I sent it in for (failure to carry up). In addition, there are two deep scratches clear through the finish down to bare metal on the left side of the frame that most definitely were not there when I sent it in.

This is the worst job of documenting what they did I have ever seen on a repair. I hope they fixed it, but there is sure no indication that they did, plus they managed to put deep gouges all the way down to bare steel in the gun.

I am pretty darn disappointed in S&W at this point. This is one of their more expensive revolvers ($1619 MSRP). I would think it deserves a little more care than this.

Probably shoulda bought a Taurus.

Yep!!! I couldn't agree more!!@! ...... with your last statement..
 
Well, I got Taurus-level QA and Taurus-level CS, might as well have saved the money and bought the Taurus Raging Bull.

I sure won't ever buy another new S&W product after this.
 
Just so you know, the paper you got back is standard. I do not believe I have seen one in decades that gives specifics about what they did. If it works, who cares? Does it work?
 
Does it work?

I just got it back today. I decided it would not be a good idea to test it in my house. .44 magnums are rather loud, and the bullets would likely leave the room. I will test it when I have an opportunity to do so.

Are the gouges through the finish down to bare metal also something we can expect when we send expensive weapons back to the factory for unrelated warranty repairs?
 
Yup, standard operating procedure all the way. It's been this way for a long time. Your expectations and their sop didn't match.....oh well.

btw, the issue was probably the cylinder stop. You were skipping a round mid cylinder.

Good luck
 
I just got it back today. I decided it would not be a good idea to test it in my house. .44 magnums are rather loud, and the bullets would likely leave the room. I will test it when I have an opportunity to do so.

Are the gouges through the finish down to bare metal also something we can expect when we send expensive weapons back to the factory for unrelated warranty repairs?

I am sorry you are frustrated. Obviously, no one expects you to fire it in your house. And, no. Gouges down to bare metal are not to be expected. I am sure you will take that up with them first thing tomorrow. I certainly would. Good luck.
 
I've emailed them about the gouges. I don't want to sit on hold for 45 minutes to tell them about it.
 
I disassembled the gun today. Looks like they replaced most everything but the frame and the grips. It has the following new parts:

mim trigger
mim hammer
cylinder stop
cylinder
ratchet / extractor
hand
barrel
front sight

The trigger feels crunchy again, and all engagement surfaces are rough and crudely finished. Trigger effort on double action is very high and single action is much higher than it was. I am in the middle of moving my home so I don't have access to my Lyman trigger gauge, but the trigger feels pretty lousy.

I will put a couple hundred rounds through it the way it is to verify the failure to carry up problem is solved. After that, I think I'll sell it.
 
Seems like you should have shot it first to verify that it was repaired, now you have no way of knowing?? Was this a performance center gun? Be Safe,
 
Seems like you should have shot it first to verify that it was repaired, now you have no way of knowing?? Was this a performance center gun? Be Safe,

Did you read what I said? I said:

I will put a couple hundred rounds through it the way it is to verify the failure to carry up problem is solved. After that, I think I'll sell it.

I didn't change anything. I just took the parts out, inspected them, and put them back in. It's completely dry inside too, no lube, and I left it that way.
 
I read what you said, you took the parts out, so if it does not work or has another problem you are back to square one. If it has a problem ( I hope that it does NOT ) make sure you tell S&W you took it apart first before shooting it. Good Luck,
 
I read what you said, you took the parts out, so if it does not work or has another problem you are back to square one. If it has a problem ( I hope that it does NOT ) make sure you tell S&W you took it apart first before shooting it. Good Luck,

do you really think he would tell them... It's obvious how he got to this point to begin with....
 
I disassembled the gun today. Looks like they replaced most everything but the frame and the grips. It has the following new parts:

mim trigger
mim hammer
cylinder stop
cylinder
ratchet / extractor
hand
barrel
front sight

They threw the kitchen sink at it due in part to the modified parts.
 
I'm with the OP on this one. I don't think by disassembling and reassembling the gun he violated any of the integrity of the S&W repairs.

Jeff
 
Wrong:He had made some modifications, he sent it back to S&W for repair, they repaired it and he took apart again before firing it. True he said he did not change anything, problem is he compromised the integrity of their repair without testing it. He Should have tested it with his ammo, ruled out any failures, then he can take it apart, put whatever he wants in it, if he then has a failure he can look at which part he put in ( rebound spring) replace it with the original if it works then the spring he replaced it with was too light/heavy and he can go about modifying his gun. If he has a failure to fire now the question becomes did S&W fix it or did he assemble it incorrectly? I do not know his skill level and I am not questioning his knowledge, but now if it does not work correctly he is back to his starting point. It is usually best to try to rule out one problem at a time if it's a gun,car,plumbing. I do not care what he or anybody does to their gun for what they believe may be an improvement, it is not up to me, but do not complain about their service when you do not test it before you alter it. (taking it apart) Be Safe,
 
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