New to the ar-15

It might, by changing the angle at which you hold the rifle. Also try holding it closer to the magazine well. Do a google search of foregrips and see what shapes and lengths are out there.
ALSO, feel free to rest the rifle on the magazine or some sort of support. Don’t feel that you have to hold the weight of the gun yourself to be a good shooter.
 
So would adding a grip on the handguard help with the heaviness and hurting of my arm? I have short arms too.....lol
This may sound obvious, but adding the weight of a foregrip will not reduce the weight of the rifle.

Unless you have a bull barrel, which you don't, the front of an AR is not very heavy. What you're running into is something most new shooters have to learn; shooting isn't the same as standing.

Almost all new shooters have a stance similar to this:
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Note how she is leaning back. This is usually done because they feel the rifle is heavy and they are trying to compensate by leaning back. Try this:

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See how she is leaning forward a little? This lady has a foregrip, but it's not necessary. The one change I would make here is to tuck the left elbow underneath. She's probably pointing her left elbow out a little due to the way she's gripping the vertical foregrip.


In the long run, the answer to the heaviness of the gun is time and practice. Everyone thinks the gun is heavy at first. That will pass. It's a stance you're not used to yet, but it will become more familiar with time.
 
Oh I wasn't standing like that first pic, that looks painful....lol. So I would bend my left arm a bit?


This may sound obvious, but adding the weight of a foregrip will not reduce the weight of the rifle.

Unless you have a bull barrel, which you don't, the front of an AR is not very heavy. What you're running into is something most new shooters have to learn; shooting isn't the same as standing.

Almost all new shooters have a stance similar to this:
main-qimg-158cc407a1ec4d3c55b155b14a377e6e.webp


Note how she is leaning back. This is usually done because they feel the rifle is heavy and they are trying to compensate by leaning back. Try this:

maxresdefault.jpg


See how she is leaning forward a little? This lady has a foregrip, but it's not necessary. The one change I would make here is to tuck the left elbow underneath. She's probably pointing her left elbow out a little due to the way she's gripping the vertical foregrip.


In the long run, the answer to the heaviness of the gun is time and practice. Everyone thinks the gun is heavy at first. That will pass. It's a stance you're not used to yet, but it will become more familiar with time.
 
So bending my arm a bit and placing my hand closer to the mag would help? I saw on a youtube video where the guy said to extend your arm far, but that's why my arm was hurting, I had it straight out like stiff holding the barrel. That was a mistake?

It might, by changing the angle at which you hold the rifle. Also try holding it closer to the magazine well. Do a google search of foregrips and see what shapes and lengths are out there.
ALSO, feel free to rest the rifle on the magazine or some sort of support. Don’t feel that you have to hold the weight of the gun yourself to be a good shooter.
 
So bending my arm a bit and placing my hand closer to the mag would help? I saw on a youtube video where the guy said to extend your arm far, but that's why my arm was hurting, I had it straight out like stiff holding the barrel. That was a mistake?
Yes, it should help a lot, for basic shooting. The reason for holding far out in the video you mention was to be able to quickly change targets in competition. That long, stretched grip is tiring; even the pros agree!
Hold the rifle in a way most comfortable for YOU. As you gain experience, you can try different ways. I usually hold mine about halfway down the grip--but I have fairly long arms.
In fact, when I'm working on trigger and sight control, I very often rest my rifle on a stand or even the magazine, so I'm not distracted by the sights moving.
 
So bending my arm a bit and placing my hand closer to the mag would help? I saw on a youtube video where the guy said to extend your arm far, but that's why my arm was hurting, I had it straight out like stiff holding the barrel. That was a mistake?
This is not a right/wrong kind of thing. You'll have to discover what works for you.

Back in the day we taught to hold the gun like this:
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This still works and is what I'm suggesting for you; elbows down and front hand a little closer to the magazine.

Some even taught to do it like this:
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...with the support hand on the magazine well.


The current "operators" will tell you to hold the gun like this:
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This hold gives a little more control over the muzzle and can even help control muzzle rise. However, try standing with your arm out in front of you for a minute. Most can't hold their arm out by itself that long. Add the rifle and you cut that time in half. So, this "arm forward" type of hold is good, but not easy and takes some strength that no new shooter has.

Just to confuse things more, here is how the long distance precision shooters do it:
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See how he has his support elbow tucked in and resting on his torso? Then he's supporting the gun by placing the magazine in the palm of his hand. He's even leaning back a little. This is a good stance, but only for those really long shots where maximum precision is necessary. You won't ever see this outside of competition.


In the end only one thing matters; bullets going where you intend. If the bullets are going where you want them, whatever hold you're using is the correct one. Try some different holds and see what works for you. Just because a hold is comfortable doesn't mean it's the right hold. Sometimes you need to work through a little discomfort to learn what works for you.

Even so, comfort is a factor. If the hold you're using is causing pain in your shoulder, you won't be able to shoot well. Try the hold in the first picture. Then try the second one. If one is working better than the other, use the one that gives the best accuracy for you. Then, when some well meaning range commando tries to tell you you're doing it wrong, show him your target and ask to see his. ;) Then just grin when yours is better.
 
Oh I gotcha! No wonder my arm hurt for a couple of days. Yeah I need to try and use something to rest the rifle on, told my husband that is what we should have done to site the gun in. I'm really not satisfied so we will have to do it again. Thanks for all your help.


Yes, it should help a lot, for basic shooting. The reason for holding far out in the video you mention was to be able to quickly change targets in competition. That long, stretched grip is tiring; even the pros agree!
Hold the rifle in a way most comfortable for YOU. As you gain experience, you can try different ways. I usually hold mine about halfway down the grip--but I have fairly long arms.
In fact, when I'm working on trigger and sight control, I very often rest my rifle on a stand or even the magazine, so I'm not distracted by the sights moving.
 
Yeah I was kind of holding it like the 3rd pic. With short arms not very comfortable and the red dot seem to jitter a lot. So holding the ar is a bit different than the proper way to hold a handgun? So holding the mag wouldn't be wrong or right? That may actually help me a bit more with the short arms. I also had the stock set at the shortest length but I saw on a youtube video to have it extended more something to do with stability? But that wouldn't fly for me cause that would just make the arm length even more troublesome. Even when I owned the 30-30 and shotgun I had the stocks cut down and new recoil pads on them to fit my arm length. Those worked out great for me! Thanks for all your help too! You guys are great!!!


This is not a right/wrong kind of thing. You'll have to discover what works for you.

Back in the day we taught to hold the gun like this:
M16-in-Vietnam-e1507337695982.jpg

This still works and is what I'm suggesting for you; elbows down and front hand a little closer to the magazine.

Some even taught to do it like this:
1346758210.jpg
...with the support hand on the magazine well.


The current "operators" will tell you to hold the gun like this:
Parallax-17.jpg


This hold gives a little more control over the muzzle and can even help control muzzle rise. However, try standing with your arm out in front of you for a minute. Most can't hold their arm out by itself that long. Add the rifle and you cut that time in half. So, this "arm forward" type of hold is good, but not easy and takes some strength that no new shooter has.

Just to confuse things more, here is how the long distance precision shooters do it:
main-qimg-e76b185fa7a98ebcf70e792c4b9c075f.webp


See how he has his support elbow tucked in and resting on his torso? Then he's supporting the gun by placing the magazine in the palm of his hand. He's even leaning back a little. This is a good stance, but only for those really long shots where maximum precision is necessary. You won't ever see this outside of competition.


In the end only one thing matters; bullets going where you intend. If the bullets are going where you want them, whatever hold you're using is the correct one. Try some different holds and see what works for you. Just because a hold is comfortable doesn't mean it's the right hold. Sometimes you need to work through a little discomfort to learn what works for you.

Even so, comfort is a factor. If the hold you're using is causing pain in your shoulder, you won't be able to shoot well. Try the hold in the first picture. Then try the second one. If one is working better than the other, use the one that gives the best accuracy for you. Then, when some well meaning range commando tries to tell you you're doing it wrong, show him your target and ask to see his. ;) Then just grin when yours is better.
 
Even with the arms of a 6-footer, I don't like that long reach to hold the rifle.
Use a support for the rifle as much as possible, even when you become proficient. That way, you can focus on the sights and trigger, and not be tempted to jerk the trigger when the sights wander over the target (and they will wander ;) ). THEN, as you practice less steady positions--and there are a TON of them--your shooting will be even better.
 
So it's normal for the red dot to jitter around? Or was that just me struggling with the arm holding in that position?


Even with the arms of a 6-footer, I don't like that long reach to hold the rifle.
Use a support for the rifle as much as possible, even when you become proficient. That way, you can focus on the sights and trigger, and not be tempted to jerk the trigger when the sights wander over the target (and they will wander ;) ). THEN, as you practice less steady positions--and there are a TON of them--your shooting will be even better.
 
So it's normal for the red dot to jitter around? Or was that just me struggling with the arm holding in that position?
If the rifle is still, the sights won't move. Any contact with a gun will cause movement, which will affect the sight. Minimizing that movement is at the heart of marksmanship. With practice, you will learn how to allow for unavoidable movement. Don't be discouraged--GO FOR IT! There are few things as empowering as developing the skills to get hits under varying conditions.

I had my AR at the range last week, shooting steel plates at 100yd--one of which was a 4" disc. A LOT of my shooting was using support (even if it was just resting the magazine on the bench) so I could focus on the sight picture and trigger, but I also shot standing, with the sights inevitably moving a bit. The faint ting! of bullets hitting steel made all the effort worthwhile!! :D
 
Cool. Ok so I now know that was me causing the jitter. Cause as my arm kept feeling heavier and sore I wasn't really controlling the gun too well. Yes I defiantly need to use support. What I need to do is save money and get a membership to the new indoor range we have here. Their supposed to have a new deal coming out in a few days maybe I can convince hubby to squeeze some money my way....;)



If the rifle is still, the sights won't move. Any contact with a gun will cause movement, which will affect the sight. Minimizing that movement is at the heart of marksmanship. With practice, you will learn how to allow for unavoidable movement. Don't be discouraged--GO FOR IT! There are few things as empowering as developing the skills to get hits under varying conditions.

I had my AR at the range last week, shooting steel plates at 100yd--one of which was a 4" disc. A LOT of my shooting was using support (even if it was just resting the magazine on the bench) so I could focus on the sight picture and trigger, but I also shot standing, with the sights inevitably moving a bit. The faint ting! of bullets hitting steel made all the effort worthwhile!! :D
 
Cool. Ok so I now know that was me causing the jitter. Cause as my arm kept feeling heavier and sore I wasn't really controlling the gun too well. Yes I defiantly need to use support. What I need to do is save money and get a membership to the new indoor range we have here. Their supposed to have a new deal coming out in a few days maybe I can convince hubby to squeeze some money my way....;)
Good lesson to learn! Fatigue is an accuracy killer. As you shoot, take breaks; put the gun down, relax, take some breaths and get some water.
At that last session, I didn't think I was on the range very long, but after 300rd (even being deliberate, it goes FAST through an AR!), I was a bit surprised how tired I felt as I drove away, and I like to think I'm fairly fit!!
 
Thanks for all the info. You guys are great and I'm glad I was actually helped and not made fun of. Some of these forums people will tear you down and make fun of a question that they deem stupid. Thanks a bunch!!

Good lesson to learn! Fatigue is an accuracy killer. As you shoot, take breaks; put the gun down, relax, take some breaths and get some water.
At that last session, I didn't think I was on the range very long, but after 300rd (even being deliberate, it goes FAST through an AR!), I was a bit surprised how tired I felt as I drove away, and I like to think I'm fairly fit!!
 
Thanks for all the info. You guys are great and I'm glad I was actually helped and not made fun of. Some of these forums people will tear you down and make fun of a question that they deem stupid. Thanks a bunch!!

We all started from the same place, and it's almost as much fun to help a new shooter enjoy her hobby as it is to actually shoot!
 
I have a M&P 15 Sport II, and after my first range session, my left arm and the tip of my right shoulder hurt, even with the light recoil. (Note -my left shoulder is partially dislocated - permanently. Also blood thinners and other things. I bruise way too easily.) I switched to Magpul furniture, a front vertical grip, and a thick, soft, ATI X2 recoil pad. All the difference I needed. 10 30-round mags in a session are "oh - I have to reload them now?"
 
I have a M&P 15 Sport II, and after my first range session, my left arm and the tip of my right shoulder hurt, even with the light recoil. (Note -my left shoulder is partially dislocated - permanently. Also blood thinners and other things. I bruise way too easily.) I switched to Magpul furniture, a front vertical grip, and a thick, soft, ATI X2 recoil pad. All the difference I needed. 10 30-round mags in a session are "oh - I have to reload them now?"
Do you still use the original handguard, without heat shields? How do they handle heat for you? At my most recent range outing, I put them back on my Sport 2 (I really like the Magpul MOE guards); my hand would get hot from fairly rapid fire (the range prohibits really fast shooting, like mag dumps), but not painfully so.
 
Rastoff's "How we were trained" first pic is my experience as well. I also use 10 round mags so I can tuck up even tighter (keeping the mag from tearing at my arm).
But I do have to admit that I trained with an M1. They didn't have enough of those new-fangled rifles for us.
I even went looking for 5 round mini14 mags for the same reason.

As to the buttpad on the stock, regardless of all the "it won't hurt comments", I have some serious bone loss from cancer, and have a replacement pad on mine (magpul) as well. I can pull a 6 inch diameter bruise from leaning against the wall.
 
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