Pistol caliber carbine

4T5GUY · Jul 4, 2019

First off I really hope you do get better and healed up. I had my right elbow and wrist “worked on” and it took awhile but both are better. Not perfect but better.

I keep saying it so here I go again. HK MP5 platform. There are so many parts out there, even brand new HK parts are pennies on the dollar. After market parts are plentiful and in many cases very good.

The Surefire forend, Trijicon night sights and Laser Devices cocking tube laser offer many options. I finally got mine SBR’d before the 2016 election. (Just in case.)

Jim

Rustyt1953 · Jul 4, 2019

LVSteve said:
Don't forget the good old Hi Point 995.

Yep, I've got one. No complaints.

LPD256 · Jul 4, 2019

Otis-Given your question was either one gun or another, I’d say the Ruger. In my house, a Sig MPX SBR with a Silencerco suppressor fits the bill.

murphydog · Jul 4, 2019

As mentioned above, if you have a good supply of 9 mm and magazines finding a compatible carbine would be easiest. I like the Kel-Tec but my one observation is that it is hard to use with earmuffs. Good luck in your decision.

KarmannGhia · Jul 4, 2019

I have a sickness for the PCC. You can't go wrong. All semi-auto: UZI 9mm, RRA AR-15 9mm, BW-5 MP5 clone 9mm, KelTec SUB2000 9mm, Valkyrie Arms M3A1 clone 45acp, Thompson M1 45acp, Win 94 357mag, Win 94 44mag, Marlin 1895 32-20wcf and I have a matching pistol for each one and enjoy everyone of them. Not even counting 22LR and Mag rifle pistol combos.

diyj98 · Jul 4, 2019

otis24 said:
I am open to a .357 lever gun. I do have a nice Winchester bolt action .223. But thinking that I want something with less penetration. It is not a have to have item. Where I currently live the .223 is probably sufficient.

I've read several articles that said FBI testing showed that the 223 didn't penetrate any more than pistol caliber carbines. I'd think a lot would depend upon your choice of bullets, but some said it actually penetrated less than the pistol calibers. Here's a link to one I just found from a quick web search.
Why "High Powered" 5.56 NATO/.223 AR-15 Ammo is Safer For Home Defense (FBI overpenetration testing) - Prepared Gun Owners

Stevens · Jul 4, 2019

I have a Marlin Camp 9, I find it accurate and fun to shoot. It came with one mag I also bought a S&W model 59 mag which works fine.
Steve W

bulletslap · Jul 4, 2019

I suggest a AR 9mm carbine.

Nedroe · Jul 4, 2019

I Roll This Way.....

A 45 ACP SBR using Grease Gun mags

And a 1911 in 45 ACP

Or, this SIG 220 SAS

Or, this Glock 21

45ACP get's 'er done.

Ned

BC38 · Jul 5, 2019

Popular topic.
I decided I couldn't choose, so I ended up with four PCCs.
Rossi M92 in 357mag/38special
Rossi M92 in 44mag/44special
Marlin Camp 9mm
High Point 45ACP

There's just something really cool about having a long gun and a sidearm that use the same ammo.

Biggfoot44 · Jul 5, 2019

There is some overlap , but the OP's two choices he presented are largely two different things . If he has a burning desire for either, that would be its own answer .

But my recommendation would be neither . Instead , a Lever Action in either .44mag or .45Colt . With either .44spl or SASS level .45Colt recoil is negligible . With either .44mag or "Ruger level" .45Colt , they are credible as real rifles , within 100yds or so . ( And from personal experience , even SASS level .44spl from a rifle is effective at dispatching road injured deer .)

Either personal preference, or whichever find best deal between Marlin, Henry, and M92 clone .

Also have to point out that the perfectly adaquate Hi Point 995 is so dirt cheap , you could get one, Plus a lever , for less than some of the high end 9mm Carbines .

merl67 · Jul 5, 2019

If I felt physically limited due to what you are possibly facing I would look at the Beretta storm 9mm line the carbine uses the pistol magazines and can be set up for left or right hand operation and ejection. I also like the Marlin 1894 lever gun 357 mag and Ruger Security Six 357 mag.

daglockman · Jul 5, 2019

Rosco Shooter said:
Attend a USPSA match to get an idea on the capability of a 9mm PCC You will find the majority of the hits are in the A zone, and times are minuscule in comparison to times obtained with a handgun.

I ran a PSA PA-9 with a Vortex SPARC2 both right out of the box in a USPSA match, and it is a night and day difference between PCC and any pistol class. I can run it on 33 round GLOCK stick mags as I can in my sidearm which is a GLOCK 17. Or even a 50 round Korean drum. I have a Kel Tec Sub 2000 also, and I just don't like to blast it. It is not a comfortable gun to shoot. More of a backpack or a survivalist type of weapon. When PCC was first introduced, there was a lot of pushback from the open class guys because they were being beat on time.
I would opt for a semi auto in 9mm, as the longer barrel length allows ammo to reach it's full muzzle energy potential, and they allow for quick accurate follow up shots. 9mm ammunition has come along way in the last 5 years as far as effective stopping power, and a lot of rounds if there needs to be.
Not a big fan of the lever action gun in a home defense situation, the action type would seem to require quite a lot of training to handle effectively and confidently in a high stress situation.

Ribwizzard · Jul 5, 2019

If wanting to shoot one handed, in home defense situation, (as you stated) forget the long gun. Just doesn't make any sense in that situation.
Glock 17 is more than accurate enough for indoors, cycles plenty fast enough and holds plenty of ammo. And is going to be more reliable that most 9mm mentioned here.
Now if your talking about a PCC for when at the ranch, and working out at the back 40, that's a different story, makes much more sense then. Especially if talking .357 or .44 mag.
Either way. Hard for me to see any benefit to 9mm carbine unless it was automatic.

HOUSTON RICK · Jul 5, 2019

I have other good rifles and shotguns, but when I look to buy a multi-purpose carbine, I would probably pick the Kel-Tech Sub2000 in 9MM S&W. The "portability/hideability" of the Kel-Tech can come in handy in a home invasion or self defense scenario. I do not have a ranch, but I understand the Mini-14 to be a consummate ranch gun.

Faulkner · Jul 5, 2019

I like pistol caliber carbines as well. I have a couple of 38/357 lever guns that I'm pleased with. Shooting .38's through them is like shooting a .22LR on steroids and great for low noise and low recoil. Once you stoke it with .357's, though, it really changes it's personality.

I have a Ruger PC4 in .40 S&W that I use as my LE patrol carbine. If you check the ballistics, the .40 S&W out of a carbine has identical performance of a .38-40
in a lever gun, which was touted as an effective deer cartridge back in the day. I've actually taken a whitetail deer and a feral hog with mine though I agree there are more practical rounds to deer hunt these days.

I've shot the new generation Ruger carbine, but not well enough to trade in my original.

Stevens · Jul 5, 2019

BC38 said:
Popular topic.
I decided I couldn't choose, so I ended up with four PCCs.
Rossi M92 in 357mag/38special
Rossi M92 in 44mag/44special
Marlin Camp 9mm
High Point 45ACP

There's just something really cool about having a long gun and a sidearm that use the same ammo.

Hey, how about getting the Camp 9 and an S&W model 59, not only
same ammo and in interchangeable magazines!
Steve W

Old Corp · Jul 5, 2019

For some reason I really enjoy pistol caliber long guns.
Recently sold a Oly Arms AR in 9mm - it was fine, just had shot the daylights out of it and was moving on to something else.
Have:
Rossi 92 16" .38/.357
Ruger .44 Auto carbine, old style (hunt with that a lot)
Winchester 94 Trapper 16" .45 Colt (also a hunter)

Most recent is this Mech Tech 'upper' .45 ACP with a M1911 frame attached; just got the upper and had a spare M1911 to make it work. Put on a red dot optic and beefed up the top of the skeleton stock for comfort using automotive heater hose and ParaCord (yes, that's redneck, I know)
First range trip last week had 230 gr Ball ammo all touching on the 50 yard target. Fun to shoot.

TazTJ · Jul 5, 2019

I have the PCC Carbine set up for HD. I have a white light/green laser on the bottom and a sightmark 2 color, 4 reticle sight on the rear rail. Its handy and quick close in. 10 yds, I can put 10 shots into 1 ragged hole and hit 6-8" plates at 100 yds standing with the iron sights. Very accurate, and gets pretty good velocity out of the longer barrel, too with HST carry ammo. I really enjoy shooting it at the range, too so I can practice with it for less $$ than my 223 AR's. Being in CT, we have 10 rd mag limits and "assault" weapon bans, so the PCC is an affordable option at under $600 vs paying $1600 for a preban AR. I shoot my PCC much more than my 2 AR's.

Warren Sear · Jul 5, 2019

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