Pistol Caliber Carbines

[Kinman]

I feel privileged to have fired full auto MP5's on a couple of occasions. They are without a doubt the finest compact submachine guns ever designed. I owned a full auto Uzi back in the day and it was crude by comparison. Suppressed they are like little German sewing machines, holding all rounds in a very compact group. However amazing they are I have no interest in paying the amount of money they demand just for the pleasure of owning one. I had a dealer friend that kept a few as "demonstrators" to law enforcement types, amazing firearms.

 

[Rustyt1953]

love my hipoint 9mm, got it years ago for $317.80 out the door, redot an 1350fps shes a tac driver at 100yrds.....yes it looks cheep,but ive abused it an ran over 5,000 rounds so far without a hic up, have 2 10rnd an 2 20rnd mags. gonna get the bullpup stock for it next. used to shoot alot of 9mm is why i got it to start,now its bout all i shoot in 9mm, do all my own reloads,also have 9mm ec9s,1911 45acp rock island, ss taures judge in 45 colt with fiber optic, tarus 357 mag polymer,heritage 22mag/22lr, 1950's high standard dura-matic 22lr semiauto,1983 year daisy 22lr roatry mag bolt action rifel,1950's mossberge 20g an 410 bolt action,marlin 22lr papoose takedown,hawken 50cal muzzloader an pietta 44 cal brass navy cap n ball. live kinda in the woods an have my own lil range.....so i shoot allot !

I bought a 995ts fifteen years ago. My eldest SIL and his ham fisted brothers have borrowed it many times in that period.

Try as they may they can't make it fail. Homely? Yes. Reliable? You betcha.

 

[old tanker]

I've added an SMS2 red dot since this picture was taken. 4MOA dot, shake awake, easy hits on soft targets to 150 meters. 9x19 is readily available. Good points all.

 

[Nedroe]

A Glock 21 with Crimson Trace module & SWR can.

A 45ACP SBR by Bazooka Bros. with a SWR can


Sometimes short, fat, & slow is the best solution.

Ned

 

[Kinman]

There used to be a video of an HK Rep tossing an MP5 with magazine inserted onto a muddy road, in the background you could hear the approach of an engine. Suddenly a German Leopard tank appears and grinds down the road where the MP5 is laying in the mud, a few people standing in the background. The Leopard comes to a stop roughly on top of the MP5 and spins on its axis a complete 360 degrees, then grinds off into down the road. The group of people come down and start kicking around in the mud, looking for the MP5. One of them reaches down and pulls the thing out of the mud, shakes it off, walks over to a water filled ditch and sticks the MP5 into the water, rinsing it off well enough that you can see it for what it is. He then gives the charging handle a good HK slap and fires it off into a nearby dirt bank.

 

[zeke]

just a couple of advantages to pcc's
a 9mm ppc can be made incredibly short (much shorter than the rifle caliber carbines am familiar with).
a 16 in 44mag lever can shoot a sub sonic 300 gn xtp very quietly with the right powder.
alot of the other advantages likely were enumerated, like the cheap 9mm available

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

I only like pistol caliber cartridges in lever action rifles.........Which I have .44 mag-45LC -22 mag & 357 mag.
If REAL subguns were were available.........I'd have some of those in 9mm-10mm-45avp.

 

[biku324]

I'd like an 1860 Spencer in 45 Auto Rim. And my hair back.

 

[Neumann]

Revolver caliber carbines have a lot of smack. I would not feel defenseless carrying a .44M carbine for protection in grizzly country, although a .45-70 would be more appropriate. Carbines can take a lot more pressure than a revolver, but I reload to revolver specs for safety. I use jacketed bullets rated for the significantly higher velocity (+50%) from a carbine, or for handgun practice. Alternately, I load commercial hard-cast lead alloy bullets. Leading has not been an issue at 1800 fps or so. For liability reasons, I use commercial ammo for EDC

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

In WWII the Soviets largely replaced the Mosin-Nagant rifles with PPSh M-1941 and PPS M1943 submachine guns. Easier to manufacture, easier to train conscript troops with, their short range tied in with the Soviets aggressive close range tactics-"Every German must feel he is living under the barrel of a Russian gun."

 

[Sarge9]

Six pages of goodness.

 

[GBLittle]

I swapped another vendor at a gun show a couple of years ago and got a Ruger PC Carbine 9mm.
It is definitely not the same as shooting my 5.56 but I've gotta say it is fun to shoot and has never had a malfunction with around 500+ rounds through it. It came with a second magwell that accepts Glock mags.

 

[old tanker]

Life for stamp collectors was simpler fifty years ago.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

Life for stamp collectors was simpler fifty years ago.

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I have give you 6 LIKES on your post............That Thompson is AWESOME!

 

[old tanker]

I have give you 6 LIKES on your post............That Thompson is AWESOME!

Our office manager at the airport likes it too. She's pretty awesome even without the Tommy gun.

 

[javbike]

I have a ruger pc carbine in a 9 mm loads of fun to shoot

 

[Rust E. Badge]

In WWII the Soviets largely replaced the Mosin-Nagant rifles with PPSh M-1941 and PPS M1943 submachine guns. Easier to manufacture, easier to train conscript troops with, their short range tied in with the Soviets aggressive close range tactics-"Every German must feel he is living under the barrel of a Russian gun."

Not so fast. The Soviets issued sub-machine guns for propaganda pics and for close assault. Most engagements were beyond the effective range of the PPSh series. A Mosun variant was issued in large numbers through and beyond WW2.

 

[bigggbbruce]

Ruger 44 carbine. Mine only likes full power loads.

 

[old tanker]

Not so fast. The Soviets issued sub-machine guns for propaganda pics and for close assault. Most engagements were beyond the effective range of the PPSh series. A Mosun variant was issued in large numbers through and beyond WW2.

The fighting in Stalingrad and to some extent Leningrad led to the widespread issue of the PPSh-41. The PPS-43 was beta tested during Leningrad. That is where the "whole divisions armed with the Papasha" got its start. Yes, they still used lots of Mosins, mostly everywhere else. I had a fair amount of experience with the Chinese knock-off Type 54 in Viet Nam. It will readily hit targets at 200 meters. The 7.62x25 cartridge has an excellent penetration for a pistol caliber, not very far behind .30 carbine in performance.

 

[skwchock]

love my hipoint 9mm, got it years ago for $317.80 out the door, redot an 1350fps shes a tac driver at 100yrds.....yes it looks cheep,but ive abused it an ran over 5,000 rounds so far without a hic up, have 2 10rnd an 2 20rnd mags. gonna get the bullpup stock for it next. used to shoot alot of 9mm is why i got it to start,now its bout all i shoot in 9mm, do all my own reloads,also have 9mm ec9s,1911 45acp rock island, ss taures judge in 45 colt with fiber optic, tarus 357 mag polymer,heritage 22mag/22lr, 1950's high standard dura-matic 22lr semiauto,1983 year daisy 22lr roatry mag bolt action rifel,1950's mossberge 20g an 410 bolt action,marlin 22lr papoose takedown,hawken 50cal muzzloader an pietta 44 cal brass navy cap n ball. live kinda in the woods an have my own lil range.....so i shoot allot !