...Ernest Hemingway...He was damn near indestructible...

Ha. Hemingway is a great writer.

Got no problem with anyone saying he isn’t. We’re all entitled to our opinions. Good to have iconoclasts around. Keeps things interesting.:)

As to his suicide, as a young man I judged suicides harshly. With maturity, I came to realize: Who I am I to judge the depth of another’s pain, another’s suffering, and a resultant decision to end one’s life?

Age, experience, teaches us humility, which is a good thing, I believe. Sure as heck is not my place to judge.

Suicides, that is.

I do judge writers. Hemingway is a great one. Ruark, less so, but good. My favorite, by far, of Ruark’s books, and I think I have read them all, is The Horn of the Hunter. Then again, I gave a copy recently to my brother, whose opinion I respect.. He did not care for it at all.

So, there we have it: Different strokes for different folks.:)
 
We were there..

pawncop said:
Several years ago, Mrs. Pawncop and I toured his home in Key West. I purchased a copy of the book “The Guns of Hemingway”. Interesting and informative book with some background regarding his family life and lifestyle.

Definitely a complex individual. He certainly had good taste in firearms.
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......Just a couple of years ago. The 6-toed cats were cool.
 
Onomea said:
Ha. Hemingway is a great writer.

Got no problem with anyone saying he isn’t. We’re all entitled to our opinions. Good to have iconoclasts around. Keeps things interesting.:)

As to his suicide, as a young man I judged suicides harshly. With maturity, I came to realize: Who I am I to judge the depth of another’s pain, another’s suffering, and a resultant decision to end one’s life?

Age, experience, teaches us humility, which is a good thing, I believe. Sure as heck is not my place to judge.

Suicides, that is.

I do judge writers. Hemingway is a great one. Ruark, less so, but good. My favorite, by far, of Ruark’s books, and I think I have read them all, is The Horn of the Hunter. Then again, I gave a copy recently to my brother, whose opinion I respect.. He did not care for it at all.

So, there we have it: Different strokes for different folks.:)
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He won the Nobel Prize for Literature. I don’t think you can get one of those in a crackerjack box or online. I don’t believe a single author mentioned, nor any of the critics here have done so. That speaks volumes!

I also don’t think he was in competition with a bunch of deadbeats either—“Others who were considered included Paul Claudel and Albert Camus of France and Ezra Pound, American poet, whom the Academy regards as one of the world's distinctive lyricists.”


Hemingway Is the Winner Of Nobel Literature Prize
 
My only connection to the Hemingways was as a young man of 23 working as a salesman at the old Abercrombie & Fitch on Madison Avenue in NYC.

Hemingway's widow, Mary, came into the shop, (I worked in the Backpacking & Mountaineering Dept on the 8th floor), and I sold her a magnificent handmade, lapstrake / copper tacked Adirondack canoe which had been put on the floor under consignment by its builder. (It was easily a few thousand dollars back then in 1975 or 1976.)

She purchased the canoe and had it shipped to Margaux and Mariel in Ketchum, Idaho.

Mrs. Hemingway told me that "Papa" would have liked me...which to a 23 year old lad who was familiar with his works and was both a climber and adventurer in his own right, set him to beaming.

Within a year or so, Abercrombie & Fitch went Chapter 11 and it was the beginning of the end of a great institution.
 
My views on suicide

First. I do think there are a number of reasons that may lead someone to take his own life.

My present view is somehow in here.

"the woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."

Robert Frost

For those who decide to go on a "suicidal killing spree" because they are angered at the World.

I have only this advice.:rolleyes:

"Good creatures, do you love your lives
And have your ears for sense?
Here is a knife like other knives,
That cost me eighteen pence.

I need but stick it in my heart
And down will come the sky,
And earth's foundations will depart,
And all you folk will die,"

A.E. Housman
 
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Frankly, I think Bob Ruark was the better writer and the only US journalist to tell the truth about Mau-Mau and other African issues.

Suicide may run in some families. Margaux overdosed on pills, I believe. Mariel seems more resilient.

I liked both in, "Lipstick". It was good knowing that Margaux really knew how to handle the rifle she used to blow away the bad guy. I didn't see, "Personal Best",but Mariel was quite good as Dorothy Stratten in, "Star 80."

The Hemingways were a gifted, if troubled, family.
 
Ernest was very deep into metaphysics. I am guessing his suicide was his choice to move into another experience rather than an end called death. He defied death even with his last move. The man had a big set for sure.
 
ACORN said:
Having known a couple of suicide victims/perpetrators I won't condemn them. No one knows what internal struggles someone else is having. Some persevere, others can't. Let God judge. I won't.
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You were kinder than I was going to be but I agree with you. I've had 2 friends take their own lives and I lost another to his beliefs about it.
 
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