Serbu Super Shorty 12 Gauge

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Talk about concealed carry and the "Other Weapons" category. Now these are VERY specialized, Very limited use weapons. I post this as an informational post only not as an advocacy post!!!

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The Serbu Super Shorty is a really cool firearm, but I prefer the Mossberg 590 Shockwave. It holds more rounds, is easier to shoot, and doesn't require a tax stamp of any kind.

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If I wanted to carry something smaller that can still shoot shotgun shells, then I'd reach for the Taurus Judge.

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delcrossv said:
2 shots? Like a shotgun derringer.
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Actually, three, one carried in the chamber and 2 in the magazine is how they are advertised. The standard model is a little low in capacity but there is a version that uses an 8 round box magazine and even a 12 round drum if you want to go there. I carried a Remington 870 12ga. folding stock with 8 round capacity as my truck gun for many years and it saved my life against two would be robbers.

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The obvious problem with any weapon in this category is the average citizen is going to be ringing local PDs phones off if they see you with it. :cool:
 
I have one. Perfect for defending the front seat from an attack from the way back, but otherwise not a lot of utility. Replacing the pistol grip with a bird’s head grip helped it a lot, still more of a novelty item. An expensive novelty item.
 
I've often thought the shortened 870s, like the current Tac-14, used by the US Marshals Service WITSEC deputies were pretty cool, and is pretty much the only reason I have for wanting one, as a novelty. IIRC, they had a quick-release mounted on the grip that attached to a shoulder harness worn under a coat on the left side. Left hand would grab the forend and the right hand would hit the release while grabbing the grip to bring it into action.

Depending on how the laws are written where you are, it may even be legal to CC one. Of course, it's probably one of those situations where just because you can doesn't mean you should.
 
ContinentalOp said:
I've often thought the shortened 870s, like the current Tac-14, used by the US Marshals Service WITSEC deputies were pretty cool, and is pretty much the only reason I have for wanting one, as a novelty. IIRC, they had a quick-release mounted on the grip that attached to a shoulder harness worn under a coat on the left side. Left hand would grab the forend and the right hand would hit the release while grabbing the grip to bring it into action.

Depending on how the laws are written where you are, it may even be legal to CC one. Of course, it's probably one of those situations where just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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I agree totally as you have to take into account if they are worth the hassle you are going to get from the "constant calls" from the civilians to law enforcement about a man with a "sawed off shotgun". They have a place however it is a very small category. They are neat guns but not a lot of people including law enforcement are really knowable about them or about their legal status and so again the "hassle" factor.

As Forte Smitten Wesson the new legal Shockwaves are less of a hassle and yet like here in CA you can't get them as the are verboten by the powers that be in the CA Peoples Republic. Just like any handgun manufacturer has to pay/bribe CA to get on their APPROVED gun list before they are allowed to be sold in the state of CA. Thus as a civilian why you can't get up to date Glocks in CA etc.,etc. "They" are throwing as many "roadblocks" as possible to extort money from legal gun owners and to buying ammo to take that option away from the poor here in CA. If you relocate to CA and you don't have a gun registered to your residence try buying ammo here. Even if your guns are legal they will charge an extra $25 fee for a background check for every purchase until you get a registered gun taking that ammo to your address; I know because it happened to me. In my case I am talking about .45ACP. :mad:
 
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ContinentalOp said:
Depending on how the laws are written where you are, it may even be legal to CC one. Of course, it's probably one of those situations where just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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ATF said about the Shockwave:
"Please note that if the subject firearm is concealed on a person, the classification with regard to the NFA may change", which I take to mean it could become AOW.
 
All these type weapons require the use of two hands and are clumsy at that. Around my neck of the woods people have used sawed off shotguns since they crawled out of caves. Not so much for people as for shooting game in thick brush. Some of my friends got these short pumps and they are more less toys. Most people would be better off with a riot type gun.
The stock makes them much more easy to handle.
People that think bird shot is no good for SD are full of it. At Self Defense ranges out of a open choke will leave terrible wound. Most hunting accidents happen at vehicle, loading or unloading guns. When hit with a load of shot at close range you may survive but chances are you are going to have life changing wound.
 
Super short barreled shotguns are sort of like MAC 10 & MAC 11 machine guns in there usefulness. They have their place and uses within a narrow range of their limitations. They can be very effective for clearing buildings, and night raids but in open spaces are very limited.

As stated above birdshot is a good loading for home defense as it cuts down on over penetration in family dwellings yet inside room distances impacts as one solid mass.
 
I have the Safety harbor version on an 870, as suggested I installed a different pistol grip. I bought it as a toy, would not seriously carry it. Although it might make a good bedroom gun. Its 3 shots with one in the tube.
 
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Personally, I'm glad the OP didn't advocate for this thing. They are marginally useful at best. You definitely need two hands. For fun, okay, fine. For practical use, I don't think so. YMMV
 
I find it perplexing how so many folks say that pistol grip only shotguns are only marginally useful if not completely useless because they only provide two points of contact yet make no such statements about .460/.500 Magnum Revolvers which only have a single point of contact and a much higher bore axis.

It's even more perplexing that for all the appeals to authority folks on gun forums use to backup their choices for self-defense firearms because "The Military/Law Enforcement uses them" they certainly are quick to ignore how long the Military/Law Enforcement has made use of firearms just like these supposedly marginally useful or otherwise completely useless range toys.
 
I would consider one in .410 with birdshot for in my house. Midnight wake up calls at my bedroom door. If that 12 gauge was hurting Hickok, I sure as all heck don't want to shoot it.
 
US military used short weapons in armored vehicles, tanks, aircraft. DOE used compact 9mm AR15 for vehicle escorts. Mossberg Shockwave has truck gun written all over it.
 
I have had an Ithaca Stakeout since 1988. It is AOW($5.00 tax) and I find it useful for close in self defense in buildings. I carried it when I was a Sheriff and only had to blow a door open once and never shot anyone with it so I do not know how it is on people.
 
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Forte Smitten Wesson said:
I find it perplexing how so many folks say that pistol grip only shotguns are only marginally useful if not completely useless because they only provide two points of contact yet make no such statements about .460/.500 Magnum Revolvers which only have a single point of contact and a much higher bore axis.

It's even more perplexing that for all the appeals to authority folks on gun forums use to backup their choices for self-defense firearms because "The Military/Law Enforcement uses them" they certainly are quick to ignore how long the Military/Law Enforcement has made use of firearms just like these supposedly marginally useful or otherwise completely useless range toys.
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I agree, as I have said they have a limited range and use but are effective in that range of use. It takes training and skill to use them effectively and properly. They are not for the "average" person to just pick up and use effectively and are subject to misuse by those with criminal intent so must be tightly controlled and monitored thus the federal licensing requirement. :)
 
YkcorCal said:
I agree, as I have said they have a limited range and use but are effective in that range of use. It takes training and skill to use them effectively and properly. They are not for the "average" person to just pick up and use effectively and are subject to misuse by those with criminal intent so must be tightly controlled and monitored thus the federal licensing requirement. :)
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Asking in a respectful tone, have you shot one of the Shockwave gripped non-shotguns? Any training time to back up the assertions?

I ask because my experience is considerably different than what you are opining. My experience is almost three years of ownership
and 400 mixed shells +/-.
1) My 14” Shockwave 870 is considerably more accurate with the Federal FliteControl than my smoothbore 20” barrel, to my frustration.

2) Cannot notice a difference between slug accuracy between stocked and non stocked 870s.

3) Tons of internet videos of shooting slugs from Shockwaves to 100 yards and beyond. I just do not enjoy slugs enough to try.

4) I found I prefer the recoil of the PGO Shockwave over the stocked 870. Much less bruising for me.
 
The Shockwave is the 14" PGO version of the Mossberg 590, the Remington 870 variant is known as the TAC-14.
 
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