The German Geiger GRP - One of the world's finest pistols.....ever
- Thread starter bc1023
- Start date
Very nice and worth more than my truck. A Rolex and a Timex will both tell you what time it is but nobody asks: "Is that a Timex?"
Echo40
Member
- Joined
- Sep 25, 2017
- Messages
- 4,040
- Reaction score
- 7,867
Yeah, I was talking about the Korth Autopistol, the PRS obviously isn't as nice.
I can also appreciate what you're saying on the matter and I agree with your sentiments that engineering ought to come before luxury aesthetics. It's just the $9000 price tag that's throwing me for a loop. I feel like Vincent Vega (John Travolta) in Pulp Fiction, in the scene where Mia Wallace (Uma Thurman) ordered a $5 Milkshake from a restaurant, struggling to comprehend how a Milkshake could possibly cost $5 or whether it was worth it.
Alas, I don't have $9000 to spend on a pistol, regardless of how well-made it may be, (the most expensive pistol that I own is an H&K USP Elite) so it's all but inconceivable to me.
I think it's also the fact that it looks so much like a 1911, despite the fact that it's much more sophisticated internally that's confusing me. I keep thinking of it as a 1911, and for a 1911, $9000 is crazy no matter how you look at it, but it's not a 1911.
JJEH
Member
This gun is not my cup of tea but congratulations to you. You know the gun is rare here and that's a nice feeling to have 
But don't give them Germans any more money.... they'll just over-engineer the next gun
But don't give them Germans any more money.... they'll just over-engineer the next gun
I'm happy with the 1911 too. I've got several custom and semi custom models. Doesn't mean I don't like more interesting and exotic handguns as well though.
Engine49guy
Member
Very neat gun,
I only own one roller locking handgun,
It's not nearly as pretty but does still go "Bang" every time the trigger is pulled,
Plus with $8900.00 left over can buy alot of ammo and range time.
How a CZ 52 works - YouTube
Perhaps a bit like a $15k Rolex Dive watch which is inferior in every way when compared to the Grand Seiko Spring drive costing less than half, the extra money spent on the Rolex buys entry into an elite club of those that are willing to pay alot more for the fancier name.
I only own one roller locking handgun,
It's not nearly as pretty but does still go "Bang" every time the trigger is pulled,
Plus with $8900.00 left over can buy alot of ammo and range time.
How a CZ 52 works - YouTube
Perhaps a bit like a $15k Rolex Dive watch which is inferior in every way when compared to the Grand Seiko Spring drive costing less than half, the extra money spent on the Rolex buys entry into an elite club of those that are willing to pay alot more for the fancier name.
Last edited:
Nice looking pistol. If you're happy with it and feel is was worth the $9000 you paid for it than it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. I've got more than twice that amount in the car I've been working on for the past 10 years. To each his own.
CZ-52, the only gun I owned that fired when I hit decock.
Hope yours is better, but I have heard of other folks having the same thing happen with that pistol. I'll never own another.
I know many of the German guns are high quality, but most of them have always struck me as blocky (not a real word I know) and bulky looking. Haven't been a fan of them. I like a firearm with a little sex appeal. But that's just me. If we all had the same taste, this would be a boring world.
Congrats on the pistol.
Congrats on the pistol.
Funny
First off, the CZ52 is NOT a roller delayed blowback. Its a locked breech pistol. Two totally different things. Secondly, its about as crude as it gets.
I do own a couple rare Italian Delta Top Gun pistols that use the CZ 52's roller lock design and unlike the CZ, they are high quality pistols. They are big bucks though and that's if you can find one.
Its a very interesting design, but once again, a roller locked breech pistol and a delayed blowback are two different things.
Yeah not a great gun and more importantly for this discussion, its not a roller delayed blowback.
The HK P9S, Korth PRS, Korriphila HSP 701, and the Geiger GRP are the only roller delayed blowback handguns that I know of. Several rifles use the design too.
I agree, which is why I've got a wide variety from all over the world.
I admire the fact that the OP revealed his cost of the gun, although he got a little flak from those that don't appreciate extremely well made guns.
All too often prices aren't mentioned due to "politeness", when in fact that is the one thing most interesting to the topic.
All too often prices aren't mentioned due to "politeness", when in fact that is the one thing most interesting to the topic.
Echo40
Member
- Joined
- Sep 25, 2017
- Messages
- 4,040
- Reaction score
- 7,867
So...You've never seen a classic Walther PP Series pistol in your life then, I take it?
Honestly, we've assessed that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but to call a Walther PP, PPK, or PPK/S, blocky, bulky, or lacking in sex appeal is just objectively wrong on all counts.
1sg
Member
- Joined
- Feb 5, 2005
- Messages
- 634
- Reaction score
- 322
Congratulations, seems like a very nice, albeit very expensive piece. Admittedly, I have no first had experience with a Geiger. However, my SIG 210 is without question a “great performer” routinely placing a full magazine in the space of a 50cent piece yet for significantly less money. I’m a huge fan of both Swiss and German design and quality and believe, on average that they are comparable. It would be interesting to know how they would perform head to head.
Engine49guy
Member
Notice it says "Roller Locking"
The decocker drop fire failure is a documented weakness of the CZ52 design,
The simple solution is to not use this feature.
( on a side note there are documented stories detailing battle worn Walther P38's that began to exhibit the same weakness of firing while using the decocker during WW2,
do not trust the P38 decocker either).
Very nice, all of them. Thanks for sharing!
The CZ 52 is a locked breech roller locking design. The Geiger is a roller delayed blowback as we call it in this country. In Germany, they use the term “roller lock” much more loosely. They are completely different designs
A delayed blowback doesn’t ‘lock” or delay until the gun is fired. A locked breech locks the slide and barrel together whether the gun is fired or not. Take a CZ 52 and pull the slide back. You’ll notice the barrel and slide lock together briefly, just like a Browning design, like a 1911 or a Walther falling block design, like a Beretta 92.
A blowback design (roller delayed or otherwise) like the Geiger, the barrel and slide separate when you pull the slide back immediately, just like a straight blowback, such a PPK.
Trust me, the CZ 52’s design is not the same as the Geiger. They are completely different. If you had the two together, you would see what I mean.
Last edited:
Some time ago I made the mistake of buying a 1945 Spreewerke P.38. As many know, these were mostly made using slave labor and with increasingly inferior materials. I took it out, inserted a magazine with one round in it, applied the safety, pointed the gun downrange and jacked a round into the chamber.
BAM.
It appears that the safety/decocker had crystalized, allowing the hammer to fall on the firing pin. Lucky I loaded it with just one round, or it would have emptied the magazine.
I took it back to the guy I bought it from, and told him I didn't want to buy an MP.38 (full auto SMG), and got my money back. Lesson learned. Late war P.38s can be dangerous to the shooter and anyone nearby.
John
Simple, plain, and absolutely gorgeous. Really would like a range report. Saw that kind of machine work, a longtime friend who had His own machine shop and did custom work for Martin company, once before. Of course it's on Mars now. Looking at the checkering pics I'll bet there isn't a 10,000th difference in the overcut length. Fantastic built gun. Thanks for sharing.
Similar threads
