Kurt Russell played a better Wyatt Earp than Kevin Costner.
Add that to Kilmer's Doc, and Tombstone is the winner IMHO.
Add that to Kilmer's Doc, and Tombstone is the winner IMHO.
The most historically correct Doc Holliday in movies
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You guys are forgetting Sam Gilman | Memory Alpha | Fandom.
Just had to add a Star Trek reference to the thread.
Just had to add a Star Trek reference to the thread.
You guys are forgetting Sam Gilman | Memory Alpha | Fandom.
Just had to add a Star Trek reference to the thread.
I watched the video in the link provided by Wyatt Burp and he is actually mentioned. I remember the ST episode and was wondering if it’d be mentioned.
I don’t know about best historical accuracy, but I think Val Kilmer wins hands down. He played Doc with true panache.
pantannojack
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I favored most the scene when Dennis Quaid described his relation with Dave Rudebaugh, and his own self control. The old southerners seemed to have such an educated respect for language and the ability to insult without being rude or coarse.
In Purgatory don't forget JD Souther as Jesse James.
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[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5M39HESwLyM[/ame]
31FordA
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No Jason Robards fans?
I was just going to mention Jason Robards. I also think James Garner was a great Wyatt Earp.
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Wyatt Burp
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Of all the movies about or featuring Jesse James, it’s amazing that this rather obscure TV movie had one of the most believable versions. He was much more historically correct than the other three guys in it. Brad Pitt was tops for me in that great movie with too long a title to write here. I had no idea that was JD Souther until about the third time I saw it. He was a lucky guy. He got to have fun with Linda Ronstadt in the 70s.In Purgatory don't forget JD Souther as Jesse James.
J D Souther - You're Only Lonely (release 1979) - YouTube
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He was real good in that. And James Garner played Earp twice.No Jason Robards fans?
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I doubt any one could possibly know who played the best Doc. because none of us knew him personally and since he is so long gone, even his relatives probably know very little truth of how the man actually was.
That said, Val Kilmer was indeed a VERY VERY entertaining Doc and IMHO stole the movie!
That said, Val Kilmer was indeed a VERY VERY entertaining Doc and IMHO stole the movie!
Quaid was nominated for Best Supporting Actor for his portrayal of Holliday. No surprise regarding Costner's Earp. He's like Nicholson, the same character in every film, he just changes clothes. The one, (false), similarity with both Tombstone and Wyatt Earp showed Holliday shooting Johnny Ringo. Neither Earp or Holliday were still in Arizona when Ringo died.
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len917
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Any way you look at it we all would want Doc as a friend. We don't find loyality like that very much anymore. From the time I was a kid and watched Wyatt Earp TV show, Doc was my favorite for all time.
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I looked up the 1995 Oscar’s which were for 1994 movies and didn’t see Quaid there. Golden Globes, either. But Martin Landau won supporting actor for Ed Wood as playing Bela Lugosi and really deserved it.
UncleEd
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When I saw "Ed Wood" I thought
too bad Bela Lugosi wasn't as
great an actor as Landau.
Landau in his youngeer days would
have made a great big screen Doc.
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All these films were good ones despite the lack of historical accuracy. "Hour of the Gun" easily had the best soundtrack of all the films and the excellent cast rivaled that of 1957's "Gunfight at the O.K. Corral". To add to the impressive credentials, both of these earlier movies were directed by the best action director ever, John Sturges.
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Right. You can instantly tell a John Sturges western because of the epic and extra loud music. Especially as guys all ride in on horses together. John Ireland Has the honor of getting killed by the Earps/Holliday twice. “In “Clementine..” and in this Sturges version.
Speaking of accuracy, or lack of, in “Wyatt Earp” Dennis Quaid’s Sheriffs Model Colt has a cross pin “smokeless powder” cylinder pin button on it. That’s it. I’m never watching that movie again!!
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UncleEd
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Well, Wyatt,
I'll join you in condemning
Colt SAAs with cylinder crosspins
but I also add any Western that
takes place before 1896 should
not have pants with belt/belt
loops, low saddle cantles or
batwing chaps nor toppers with
the Stockman crease.
However, I'll allow the 1892
Winchester for any film depicting
the pre Civil War era to the
present time.
I'll join you in condemning
Colt SAAs with cylinder crosspins
but I also add any Western that
takes place before 1896 should
not have pants with belt/belt
loops, low saddle cantles or
batwing chaps nor toppers with
the Stockman crease.
However, I'll allow the 1892
Winchester for any film depicting
the pre Civil War era to the
present time.
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Wyatt Burp
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Here’s how nitpickish I get tripping on this stuff. Tombstone was so accurate about guns and holsters. You know that and also about the saddles which I don’t. But there was one ironic gun mistake. when Billy Clanton goes for his Colt at the OK Corral, notice that it has black hard rubber grips. Not available until 1882, a year later, and not without the Eagle on them like his until the 1890s. the irony being he had a real Colt while the other “Colts” were probably Italian. this is the ridiculous stuff I bring up that get’s my wife’s eyes rolling. All in fun as we all love these films, mistakes and all.Well, Wyatt,
I'll join you in condemning
Colt SAAs with cylinder crosspins
but I also add any Western that
takes place before 1896 should
not have pants with belt/belt
loops, low saddle cantles or
batwing chaps nor toppers with
the Stockman crease.
However, I'll allow the 1892
Winchester for any film depicting
the pre Civil War era to the
present time.
