Glocks have clean lines and are better looking than most of the other polymer guns on the market in my opinion. They are still the best of the bunch. Everything you need and nothing you don't.
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They work....it's that simple....
If I was still making felony stops and runnin
arrest warrants I'd go with the G19.
We have all witnessed newscasts the last 3-4 years and
understand these Mopes now travel and commit crimes
in groups.
Shot placement is still king regardless of what you decide to pack.
If I was still making felony stops and runnin
arrest warrants I'd go with the G19.
We have all witnessed newscasts the last 3-4 years and
understand these Mopes now travel and commit crimes
in groups.
Shot placement is still king regardless of what you decide to pack.
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I don't own a Glock because:
1) I wanted an XD;
2) Wife #1 (the actual legal buyer at the time, me being furrin) wanted a Steyr M9.
I still have the Steyr, and I think it is superior to the Glock, better trigger, better grip shape, manual safety.
I don't own a 1911 because I did my research and went with CZ and S&W for my mass market metal pistols. I have also become interested in pistols with non-Browning operating systems.
1) I wanted an XD;
2) Wife #1 (the actual legal buyer at the time, me being furrin) wanted a Steyr M9.
I still have the Steyr, and I think it is superior to the Glock, better trigger, better grip shape, manual safety.
I don't own a 1911 because I did my research and went with CZ and S&W for my mass market metal pistols. I have also become interested in pistols with non-Browning operating systems.
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The generosity of women never ceases to amaze me. Sorry for your luck . . .
Back about 1986, a salesman from Gulf States Distributors came to my PD and bought a variety of firearms for the officers to shoot. I fired the Beretta 92, the Glock 17 and the Ruger XGI. For those not familiar with the XGI, it was a sporter weight .308 with a box magazine, kind of like big Mini 14. Unfortunately, it never came on the market due to Ruger not being able to get it reliable with types of .308 Winchester/7.62x51 ammo.
The Beretta was too big for my hand and I liked the Glock 17 much better. Later on, the Glock distributor came to the police department and offered the officers the opportunity to buy 17s or 19s at a discount. I bought a 19, because it fit my hand better than the 17.
My PD didn't issue sidearms, requiring each officer to buy his/her own. Other than being inexpensive, the Glocks were light. When you hang all the gear that's required on a Sam Browne belt, a light handgun, especially one that holds a lot of ammo, is a plus.
I never carried my Glock 19 as my primary sidearm. I carried either a .45 1911 or a .44 Special/.45 ACP/.45 Colt revolver. My Glock was my ankle gun, until I swapped it for a divorce.
Oh, and despite what Duckford thinks, polymer framed handguns aren't trash.
The Beretta was too big for my hand and I liked the Glock 17 much better. Later on, the Glock distributor came to the police department and offered the officers the opportunity to buy 17s or 19s at a discount. I bought a 19, because it fit my hand better than the 17.
My PD didn't issue sidearms, requiring each officer to buy his/her own. Other than being inexpensive, the Glocks were light. When you hang all the gear that's required on a Sam Browne belt, a light handgun, especially one that holds a lot of ammo, is a plus.
I never carried my Glock 19 as my primary sidearm. I carried either a .45 1911 or a .44 Special/.45 ACP/.45 Colt revolver. My Glock was my ankle gun, until I swapped it for a divorce.
Oh, and despite what Duckford thinks, polymer framed handguns aren't trash.
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m&p 2.0s are glock-like guns taken to high art. best looking guns ever made, better than revolvers and 1911s
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they're glock like in their function and reliability,but beyond that, they looks so much better than glocks. better grip angle too
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My son and I shoot pistol matches a couple of times a month. I shoot a Glock; he shoots an M&P.
We have never had a single argument (or even a discussion) over which is “better.” We sure as hell never talked about which gun was prettier. They’re polymer semi-autos, which means they’re both uglier than a mud fence.
And I have *never* understood the “grip angle” thing. Like many folks who are in the autumn or winter of our lives I’ve shot a wide variety of handguns in my day, and I can honestly say I’ve never had an issue with the grip angle of any of them. Whenever I see it mentioned I have to assume someone has been spending too much time reading opinions on the Internet.
We have never had a single argument (or even a discussion) over which is “better.” We sure as hell never talked about which gun was prettier. They’re polymer semi-autos, which means they’re both uglier than a mud fence.
And I have *never* understood the “grip angle” thing. Like many folks who are in the autumn or winter of our lives I’ve shot a wide variety of handguns in my day, and I can honestly say I’ve never had an issue with the grip angle of any of them. Whenever I see it mentioned I have to assume someone has been spending too much time reading opinions on the Internet.
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Excellent points...and there is one other advantage Glock enjoys over other firearms...
If you are involved in a defensive shooting, I suspect you will lose custody of your pistol for at least a little while, while the police ensure it isn't stolen, or "modified" in some exotic or illegal way. Which would you rather have sitting in an evidence room somewhere...a Glock?...or your Model 65, your Les Baer 1911, your Colt Wiley Clapp Commander...your cherry High Power?
I'm so glad to see somebody say this. I feel the same way, but usually just keep quite. I don't ever remember picking up a handgun and thinking the grip angle was wrong. I've thought some grips were big or small for my hands, but never the wrong angle.
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Hi. My name is Ray. I'm a gun snob. I have been a gun snob for decades, and I will probably die as a gun snob. I readily admit that I will never accept plastic when I can have blued steel. The thought of my friends seeing me with Tupperware outside the kitchen is unbearable to me.
I feel better now. Thank you all for allowing me to get this off my chest.
I feel better now. Thank you all for allowing me to get this off my chest.
I’ve never understood the “carry gun taken into evidence” discussion either.
I base the gun I carry on three criteria: is it reliable, can I shoot it accurately, and can I carry it conveniently?
How “nice” the gun or its monetary value don’t figure into the picture. Not even a little bit. If I am in a defensive shooting and live to tell the tale that gun will have wholly and completely justified its purchase, even if it is destined to moulder away in an evidence room for the rest of my days. Would it be nice to get it back? Absolutely. But will I grieve over it if I don’t get it back? Absolutely not.
I feel confident that most of us don’t carry our most expensive gun day-to-day, but I suspect this is because our priciest gun isn’t the best gun for the task.
I base the gun I carry on three criteria: is it reliable, can I shoot it accurately, and can I carry it conveniently?
How “nice” the gun or its monetary value don’t figure into the picture. Not even a little bit. If I am in a defensive shooting and live to tell the tale that gun will have wholly and completely justified its purchase, even if it is destined to moulder away in an evidence room for the rest of my days. Would it be nice to get it back? Absolutely. But will I grieve over it if I don’t get it back? Absolutely not.
I feel confident that most of us don’t carry our most expensive gun day-to-day, but I suspect this is because our priciest gun isn’t the best gun for the task.
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the glock's grip angle is not conducive to pointing. when i point a gun it's a similar motion to when i point at something, with 1911 style grips like the m&p, the sights are almost always on. with glocks, the sights are not consistent. this might change if i used glocks regularly,but i don't. the m&p looks too good and performs too good to trade it in for and uglier gun that doesn't point correctly in my hand
With respect...you wrote: "I base the gun I carry on three criteria: is it reliable, can I shoot it accurately, and can I carry it conveniently?" I agree wholeheartedly, but...
Most of us, I suspect, have several, or even many, guns that meet all those criteria. Why risk damaging or losing an expensive or collectible pistol when you can buy an inexpensive Glock that will be reliable, accurate, and easy to carry...and you won't miss if you lose custody of it for an extended period?
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