PTR-91 to the Range

It's an early JLD with collapsible stock. I'm thinking I will probably find a full stock for it after the shoot. It just doesn't feel right shouldering this heavy weight with this stock, not to mention sight alignment.

Will report.

Used to have two HK91s back in the 1980s and 90s...during the Klinton AWB sold them for huge money...

Picked up a PTR32 7.62x39 and is very sweet shooting...put one of the Magpul stocks on it and it works great for long range shooting with a scope...

Bob

You do realize, THAT WITHOUT PICTURES, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!

Ivan

Have the same gun and agree while the collapsible stock is great for para jumping or getting in n out of armored vehicles it's no good on the range.
(Btw they have become rare unobtanium on the market).
there was a member actively looking for one here about a year ago but the mil surp supply sites had all dried up.
The West German plastic G3 green stock sets used to be cheap and plentiful, (that's what mine wears now),
have a set in black and a wood set but prefer the green.
Have both styles of front stocks as well, the modern wide version with bipod slot is my favorite.

Ivan the Butcher said:

You do realize, THAT WITHOUT PICTURES, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!

Ivan

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Here it is. I must say, it's no target rifle but pretty good accuracy and flawless function. Shot Federal Hi-Shok 150 gr. SP and Federal Premium 165 BT SP.

I do think I will add a fixed stock to it at some time. And a better fore grip. The cocking handle, a JLD marked part, is a little stiff and may need a little work to make it easier to deploy.

You should have no problem finding a fixed stock, bad news is the front stocks are shorter than a standard G3 so be warned to measure before purchasing.
Btw most cocking handles I have encountered on any of the G3 varients including well worn CETME's have been stiff.

Retired W4 said:

Here it is. I must say, it's no target rifle but pretty good accuracy and flawless function. Shot Federal Hi-Shok 150 gr. SP and Federal Premium 165 BT SP.

I do think I will add a fixed stock to it at some time. And a better fore grip. The cocking handle, a JLD marked part, is a little stiff and may need a little work to make it easier to deploy.

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I had the HK 91 fixed stock with Bi-pod, carry handle, ring scope mount, Battle sling and about twenty 20 round mags.

A friend had rear sight tool, so I adjusted the 200 yard peep to zero at 100, and that took the 300 yard sight to 200. I had bought several thousand rounds of 1973 Israeli 308 ball. the gun loved the Israeli ball and Austrian Hertenberg ball, But the Austrians used Berdan primers, and I wanted reloadable brass. With the peep at 100 10 shots of Israeli ball grouped 1" or less! with a 4.5-14x40mm Veri-X iii AO, I often had 5 to 8 shots out of 10 in the same hole at 300 yards (even with that so-so trigger!) That was the A.R.M.S. scope mount, returned to Zero without fail 30 to 40 times! (still have about 50 rounds of the ammo left! Still better than anything else, Including Federal Gold Medal Match 168's or 175's. My own 155 Palma load is the only thing I ever found to compare!)

Sold it as a package after the AWB and made $800, the profit all went to Missionaries! I sold too soon, too cheap and still miss it!

I have an AR-10 platform and nowhere as nice!

Ivan

(Yes, I am a hypocrite, I don't do forum pictures. So of course none of this happened back in the 90's)

I had a PTR-91, but after shooting a friend's braked gas piston AR-10 I quickly sold it off. Roller lockers have a nasty recoil impulse and that AR-10 was practically recoilless on the shoulder. Now I have an Adams Arms .308. The PTR-32s seem like a much better compromise but it appears my window to buy one here in WA is just about gone.

This one came with an A.R.M.S. mount. I'll hook up a Holosun or a Eotech. The rear sight gives me fits.

And thanks for the tip on the hand guard.

Congrats on a nice rifle. I had the collapsable stock on my HK 93 (5.56 version). Looked cool, but was not ideal for actual accurate and comfortable shooting. My HK 91 had the regular fixed stock, as does my CETME. Better, but too low for comfortable optics use. I ran a HK plastic riser on my 91, and a strap on padded fabric cheek piece on the CETME.

No experience with the A.R.M.S. mount on the 91, but do use a version on my M1a that works well and is quality made.

A word about recoil - I never thought the HK 91, which came equipped with an AR looking flash hider was excessive. My CETME has a common looking muzzle brake that reduces recoil to about that of an AR 15, but blast has to be heard to be appreciated... I think the HK / CETME / PTR type roller lock is a lot more reliable than a lot of AR 10 style rifles, that seem to frequently have gas / buffer issues.

I attached an old pic of the 93, and the 91 in a case with it's Ruger Mini partner. That second scope is for the Ruger, not mounted on the HK.

Larry

Just a quick heads up, I have a claw mount scope for my G3 variants, if you are OCD like me you might consider cutting four 1" square pieces of black electrical tape and applying them to the receivers mounting lugs before clamping the scope on.
Also ..your trigger pack is the modern plastic (Navy?) version, mine has the older stamped steel version.
The claw mount is a neat toy but be warned it will scrape the finish where the metal to metal surfaces clamp and bear against eachother....( the snap on carry handle does as well.
I have an OD green nylon padded check riser that velcroes onto the stock and has several .308 ammo loops and a storage pocket on the right side that works and looks ok.
Btw although more modern keyhole mount etc versions exist now my favorite front handguard is still the wide fat 80s era version with bipod channel mount like this.

http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/arms...616_04_ptr_91_hk91_bipod_collapsible__640.jpg

Retired W4,
Lots of parts are still out there and decent pricing. This guy has plenty of G3 surplus . . . RTG G3 Furniture page

My first roller locked rifle was one of the HK-41s.

I liked it and was able to purchase a G3k for what now seems like a ridiculously reasonable price a few years later

Long ago someone saw me shooting the 41 and offered me what I called stupid money at the time. He offered more then 10x what I had bought it for less than a decade prior. Hindsight says I should have kept it.

My G3k came with both stocks. and some of the Factory 30 round magazines. I eventually added one of the HK-21's 50 round drums to my package. My forend is the wide style hat is slotted for heat dissipation

All of my HK long guns have stiff cocking handles. The HK-21 cocking handle is oversize and works well on the G3k. It was a nice modification

When the world moved away from the G3 I bought spare parts really cheap, so far I have never needed them. At that same time CDDN was selling VG to LN aluminium magazines in cases of 50 for $.97 per mag, Yes I said ninety seven cents a magazine. At the time you could not buy a mag spring that cheap so I grabbed two cases of mags.

I wish I had bought one of the 3 shot burst fire control groups at that time. They are so expensive today

My collapsible stock is shorter than a fixed stock so that it can be comfortable when wearing a vest. My fixed stock has the HK-21 buffer mounted in it which increased the cyclic rate from the standard 600 RPM to 720 RPM. It also has the HK-21 butt pad on it. That buffer and butt pad does alter the recoil pulse when compared to the collapsible stock

Fishinfool said:

My CETME has a common looking muzzle brake that reduces recoil to about that of an AR 15, but blast has to be heard to be appreciated...

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Larry,
My G3k has a non HK muzzle brake on it. It is extremely effective, but in combination with the 12" barrel, this little guy sounds more like my big 50 to those around me. The brake also works like a flash enhancer if you are watching the muzzle blast

We all know that in German S-E-F stands for:
Sicher
Einzelfeuer
Feuerstoss

A associate of mine says that S-E-F in English means:
Safe
Economical
FUN

I even bought one of the G3 sub caliber kits back in the early days.

This is a FUN 22LR SMG. When my youngest niece started High School and joined the JrROTC rifle team, she was the only member with machine gun experience. First Sergeant called me to ask if she was just boasting or actually had trigger time

Since getting the G3k, I have added an MP5/10 and an MP5/357 to the family
I fell in love with the 10MM variant when the FBI's Miami office got theirs in. We shot it over at the Medley Law Enforcement range in Dade County.

So when one of the 10MM variants became available I jumped on it. Then I heard about the 357SIG variant and had to have one, I never bothered with the 9MM or 40S&W versions. While there is not sub-sonic 357SIG ammunition, the Suppressor does make it a totally different gun to shoot. I have multiple stocks for both SMGs

I just recently replaced the HK rear sight with a micro red dot. It is a HUGE improvement over that silly drum sight. I know, I need to do some pictures.

I will admit that the G3 variants are stupid reliable and eat steel cased .308 like no tomorrow. I too had a bucket of mags I bought for less than a dollar apiece.

I mainly bought it because I was a disciple of the Boston Gun Bible written circa 2000 when AR-10s were not a good rifle. You wanted a .308, you got an M1A, FAL, or HK91. I got my PTR-91 around 2009 during that run on evil assault rifles and AR-10s were still not all that great. Then came the POFs, KACs, etc and, at least in my opinion, worked out the kinks. They are more delicate and with more points of failure than an HK, but you're describing just about ANY rifle except maybe an AK.

Hey colt saa, I have some things already picked out.