Zeke, a lot of guys are suppressing the Ruger 77/44 rifles now. The news have threaded barrels right from the factory.
Pistol Caliber Carbines
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Prefer the levers, and bought one of the newer ones with 16 in threaded barrel.
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I did not know the levers could be had with threaded barrels
A lot easier now a days to get firearms that come from factory equipped/designed for accessories.
Here's a Colt 6450 police turn-in. It has no recoil, points naturally, is light weight, and has little muzzle blast. It is easy for a small statured person to handle. Biggest downside is good magazines are not easy to get. Real Colt magazines aren't cheap, but they work 100% of the time and are all steel. After market mags are available, but their performance is spotty. One advantage is it can travel across state lines in the motor home without the hassles of an ATF "mother may I" like an SBR requires. Despite the AWB having sunset over twenty years ago some small time Barney Fife might get his knickers in a twist seeing the "RESTRICTED MILITARY/LAW ENFORCEMENT" roll stamp.
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Brownell’s magazines for Colt’s 9mm carbine are far less expensive than genuine Colt and just as reliable.
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What about Carbine calibered Pistols, like a Ruger SBH in .30 Carbine, or the Automag III .30 Carbine, etc?
.30 carbine in a revolver is loud and offers no advantage at all over something like a 9mm or .357 Mag.
For example a 110 gr FMJ that does 1990 fps out of an M1 carbine will only achieve around 1400 fps in a 7.5" sbh.
In other words, you're getting no velocity advantage over a 125 gr .357 Mag, with less energy and a smaller wound track.
The .30 carbine fired from a carbine at 1800 plus fps will punch right through IIIA body armor and give good penetration in ballistic gel behind the armor. but when fired from a pistol it will be stopped just like a .357 Mag at revolver velocities.
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Agree.
Put a sling on the PCC (I have a one point detachable swivel on mine) and keep it fairly close to your body. While someone is trying to snatch it away from you, pull out your EDC handgun and double-tap the bad guy.
This goes hand in hand with your last paragraph.
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Do you live in a secluded dwelling? I live in a subdevelopment and I would risk shooting into a neighbor's house with a firearm chambered for 300 Blackout...
And it is alot harder to get out of two hands (or even one.) a gun with a real stock can't as easily be twisted out of your hand.
Sorry to hear about the no woods or wild places situation. I would have to move.I’ve BTDT with “matching” pistol and PCCs. It wasn’t the magical synergy I seemed to think it would be. Maybe it was meI don’t have woods to walk or wild places to tote guns through, maybe that’s why.
I’m of the “Use .22LR for cheap fun, and if you need a rifle, use a rifle caliber” camp.
Personally, I really like having a handgun and a rifle in the same caliber. On pack trips with the pack string, my sidearm is normally my Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt. It's companion, my truck gun, is a Rossi Model 1892 in .45 Colt.
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I also have a Marlin 1894 in .38 special/.357 magnum that I pair with my Smith and Wesson Model 27-2. Do I plan on any long-range hunting with those rifles? Nope. But they're handy to carry and I don't have to be packing two different calibers of ammo.
Assuming you have shot a few critters with your .45 Colts, how would you rate their effectiveness out to, say, 100 yards? Cast bullets?
I've never used the revolver for any long distance shooting to speak of, but the rifle is extremely effective out to 100 yards. I probably wouldn't try anything much farther than that, but out to that distance, you have a big fat bullet going up to 1400 fps using Buffalo Bore ammunition. That can be pretty devastating on deer or black bear. Not sure I'd try it on anything bigger.
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I'm a fan of PCCs for several different reasons.
First: I love SMGs (MP5, UZI, M3, Thompson etc...) but I don't have Submachine gun money. 16 inch barrel, semiauto clones are my affordable substitute.
Second: I'm a fan of having my pistol/revolver in the same caliber (Vaquero/Winchester or Marlin - 357, 44, 32-20 combos, Glock/KelTec Sub2000 or AR and Berretta Storm pistol and PCC.
PCCs are just fun to shoot and are great within their given limitations. I don't feel the financial sting as much when burning 9mm as opposed to 5.56 or 7.62.
I don't need any of them, but I sure did want them.
Just one old guy's opinion.
First: I love SMGs (MP5, UZI, M3, Thompson etc...) but I don't have Submachine gun money. 16 inch barrel, semiauto clones are my affordable substitute.
Second: I'm a fan of having my pistol/revolver in the same caliber (Vaquero/Winchester or Marlin - 357, 44, 32-20 combos, Glock/KelTec Sub2000 or AR and Berretta Storm pistol and PCC.
PCCs are just fun to shoot and are great within their given limitations. I don't feel the financial sting as much when burning 9mm as opposed to 5.56 or 7.62.
I don't need any of them, but I sure did want them.
Just one old guy's opinion.
A longer barrel doesn't help much in the "service pistol" category (9mm, .40, 10mm and .45 Auto) but if it helps you in accuracy it does make them more effective by virtue of better shot placement.
OTOH, Magnum pistol/revolver calibers are a step up from their handgun parents - I haven't found a .357 Magnum very effective on either Deer, or feral hogs in any length up to 8" (however the heaviest bullet I've used to date is 158 and most of them have been shot with 125s and 140s) - but in a 16" carbine they shine and are a "horse of a different color".
I was experimenting with 345 gr. bullets in my 4 5/8" Ruger back in the very early 80s - my load with Win 296 got about 1050 fps. (later I saw that Ross Seyfried was getting more out of his 5.5" with more powder and still running 25,000 PSI) - I didn't up my load but I shot the same bullet out of my 16" Winchester and that same load got 1550 fps! - that's knocking on the door of some cast bullet 45-70 loads! In fact I killed a deer after the load passed through a 4" cedar tree (it was a losing light on the last day of the season, desperation shot!).
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OTOH, Magnum pistol/revolver calibers are a step up from their handgun parents - I haven't found a .357 Magnum very effective on either Deer, or feral hogs in any length up to 8" (however the heaviest bullet I've used to date is 158 and most of them have been shot with 125s and 140s) - but in a 16" carbine they shine and are a "horse of a different color".
I was experimenting with 345 gr. bullets in my 4 5/8" Ruger back in the very early 80s - my load with Win 296 got about 1050 fps. (later I saw that Ross Seyfried was getting more out of his 5.5" with more powder and still running 25,000 PSI) - I didn't up my load but I shot the same bullet out of my 16" Winchester and that same load got 1550 fps! - that's knocking on the door of some cast bullet 45-70 loads! In fact I killed a deer after the load passed through a 4" cedar tree (it was a losing light on the last day of the season, desperation shot!).
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