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I had extremely disappointing experiences with P-08 Lugers. I was most interested in the BYF Mausers in 9mm.
I began by purchasing a couple of affordable East German arsenal Re-furbed VOPO Lugers, by mail order.
apparently re-furbed by monkeys, & marked up with out of control die grinders, BOTH had giant Xs stamped on the frame (junk in German ?) finally refinished in BLACK OXIDE. Neither would fire reliably. I never saw any point in owning an unreliable firearm. I finally spent more on a Mauser "Black Widow" with correct numbers, which was also a jam-o-matic.
I took it back to the dealer who tested it off premises & said it worked perfectly - that I no doubt "limp-wristed it" - adding insult to injury - not taking it back. Then I bought a beautiful, like new, Texas made stainless eagle Luger. which also didn't work. Flicking all these was not that hard - sold as-is. My last attempt was a NOS un-fired Swiss Luger, + box, papers, & dangle tag. It was good for a thrill to get out & fondle occasionally - but IT remained un-fired until I sold it at a profit - to buy something nice that worked. TODAY I'm over them, but would accept one as a gift - as not worth the bother to me - any other way. In my 78 years of life, I only was accused of limp-wrist that one time, & never spoke to that dealer again.
Rework guns are always a chance. The X by the way is a Russian crossed rifle property mark. VOPO guns will be East German proofed. Limp wristing does not affect the P08 as much as say a 1911. The most common cause of a P08 malfunction is the magazine. I and many other collectors hate the term "Black Widow" it was a term coined by the late Ralph Shattuck a big Luger dealer. As far as production there were more 1940-1942 Lugers produced than the previous 1935-1939 production.
 
The "X" marking was done by the Russians / East Germans when they were refurbished. To say they weren't concerned about appearance or fit and finish is obvious. In my opinion the problems you experienced were due to ammo selection. If you tried a variety of ammo I think you would find one that worked well in your Lugers. If I recall the Texas Lugers did have issues not related to ammo. Had you fired your Swiss I think you would have found it reliable and enjoyable to shoot.


Hi, & thanks for clearing up the X issue. I did try various ammo in mine. But I was young, before the internet & friendly advice (just $ shark dealers). No doubt the Swiss Luger would have worked fine - but I: had outgrown the itch, & bought several nice things with the proceeds - that still serve my needs & interests much better. The other exotic handguns I've owned have all worked flawlessly - or moved on.

I'm 78 now - older & wiser,, settled in to the very functional handguns that please me most. HAPPY ENDING, C.

 
Do I like Lugers? YES!


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Some advice on shooting:

Don't shoot a valuable collectible. You will be sorry. Here's my shooter, and I shoot it without any qualms.

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It's one of the dreaded East German, Russian captures. It runs perfectly. In the hand shooting, you can't tell it from the most expensive and rarest Luger.

Several members have mentioned that function problems often boil down to magazine problems. There is a beautiful and inexpensive solution: Mec-Gar.


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These are very high quality magazines, and for $50 to $60 your Luger is normally fixed.

Watch out, though. Lugers are contagious and habit-forming. Before you know it, you will be chasing after something like this:

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Two more comments:
  • Simpson's are quality people and honest. You will pay retail plus a little, but you won't get scammed.
  • Don't shy away from a 7.65mm Luger. After all, that was the original caliber - the cartridge Georg Luger built the pistol around. The little bottle-neck round is super cool, too!

Curly
 
I sold my 41 byf (Mauser Werks), numbers all matching, Luger, known as a "Black Widow" by collectors because of the black plastic (bakelite) grips and matching magazine for $2,000 right about 10 years ago when I sold most of my Mil-surp hand and long guns so I could start actively pursuing the Smith & Wesson slippery slope.

Like others have said...........the Luger is a whole study by itself. I really had no clue about my Luger other than I got it at a low price and bought it "just because I had always wanted one". I did join Jan Still's Axis Powers Forum and wow....did I start finding stuff out. All about finishes, like straw bluing, various "types" of grips (mine were actually deemed by a Luger expert as type 6 because of their unique support ribs on the backside), and talk about prices and values?.....Just like this Forum...the people are very friendly and help you out with any questions you may have.

Morphy's glossy auction catalog that I get periodically seems to always have some Lugers, albeit pretty high price estimates.

Best of luck in your search.
 

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I had extremely disappointing experiences with P-08 Lugers. I was most interested in the BYF Mausers in 9mm.
I began by purchasing a couple of affordable East German arsenal Re-furbed VOPO Lugers, by mail order.
apparently re-furbed by monkeys, & marked up with out of control die grinders, BOTH had giant Xs stamped on the frame (junk in German ?) finally refinished in BLACK OXIDE. Neither would fire reliably. I never saw any point in owning an unreliable firearm. I finally spent more on a Mauser "Black Widow" with correct numbers, which was also a jam-o-matic.
I took it back to the dealer who tested it off premises & said it worked perfectly - that I no doubt "limp-wristed it" - adding insult to injury - not taking it back. Then I bought a beautiful, like new, Texas made stainless eagle Luger. which also didn't work. Flicking all these was not that hard - sold as-is. My last attempt was a NOS un-fired Swiss Luger, + box, papers, & dangle tag. It was good for a thrill to get out & fondle occasionally - but IT remained un-fired until I sold it at a profit - to buy something nice that worked. TODAY I'm over them, but would accept one as a gift - as not worth the bother to me - any other way. In my 78 years of life, I only was accused of limp-wrist that one time, & never spoke to that dealer again.
I run the Used Firearms at Bass Pro Shops in Orlando FL. I have a 1938 Mauser (S/34) P-08 Parabellum with all numbers matching, original holster with spare mag and takedown tool. It’s in decent shootable condition. It’s posted in Used Guns section of our website under Orlando inventory..
 
Do I like Lugers? YES!

Watch out, though. Lugers are contagious and habit-forming. Before you know it, you will be chasing after something like this:

Two more comments:
  • Simpson's are quality people and honest. You will pay retail plus a little, but you won't get scammed.
  • Don't shy away from a 7.65mm Luger. After all, that was the original caliber - the cartridge Georg Luger built the pistol around. The little bottle-neck round is super cool, too!
Curly
You are 100% correct on Lugers being addictive.
My family photo, 30 years of accumulation.
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I had extremely disappointing experiences with P-08 Lugers. I was most interested in the BYF Mausers in 9mm.
I began by purchasing a couple of affordable East German arsenal Re-furbed VOPO Lugers, by mail order.
apparently re-furbed by monkeys, & marked up with out of control die grinders, BOTH had giant Xs stamped on the frame (junk in German ?) finally refinished in BLACK OXIDE. Neither would fire reliably. I never saw any point in owning an unreliable firearm. I finally spent more on a Mauser "Black Widow" with correct numbers, which was also a jam-o-matic.
I took it back to the dealer who tested it off premises & said it worked perfectly - that I no doubt "limp-wristed it" - adding insult to injury - not taking it back. Then I bought a beautiful, like new, Texas made stainless eagle Luger. which also didn't work. Flicking all these was not that hard - sold as-is. My last attempt was a NOS un-fired Swiss Luger, + box, papers, & dangle tag. It was good for a thrill to get out & fondle occasionally - but IT remained un-fired until I sold it at a profit - to buy something nice that worked. TODAY I'm over them, but would accept one as a gift - as not worth the bother to me - any other way. In my 78 years of life, I only was accused of limp-wrist that one time, & never spoke to that dealer again.
The X indicates a Russian capture gun. Torn apart, reblued and randomly reassembled.
VOPO guns were carefully kept and the original numbered parts used whenever possible. The VOPO and GST gunsmiths were often old gun smiths from Haenel who knew how to make them work. FWIW, Haenel made some repair parts for VOPO P.08s and even a few complete pistols. They also made the 1001 marked extruded magazines on the old equipment.

Mine works like a charm and won a few regional competitions back in the day when I did not want to shoot the SIG P210-6.

 

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