I got about 30 that I got for a song. They work fine in normal places. That Iraq sand was more like talcum powder.
The Beretta M9
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They're ok in non-dusty places, work better with some graphite lube. Also helps to blow the accumulated dirt out and not do Soldier things to them
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That's the story I heard from some sandbox vets. Yeah, 'Big Army' (maybe some 'Nam vets) outsmarted themselves. In a clean environment, the mags shouldn't be a problem.
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Beretta came out with "sand cut" mags later on. During my son's first Iraq deployment; '06-'08 as a combat medic, I reached out to Beretta to get him a few more mags. The guy I spoke to was a former Marine, hooked me up at reduced prices sent a little care package to my son's APO. He never had an issue on those few times he used his pistol.
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Glock's admonition to simply have an oil bottle in the same zip code as their pistols has made youngsters twitchy about over lubing. Wars keep getting fought in totally different environments; do I recall M1 Carbines having issues in the Korean cold?
Do recall that the M4 was tested in the cold, at least for accuracy; wasn't the 1:7 twist partially for cold weather accuracy?
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Agree. I think.
This is where I stick my not-very-knowledgeable nose in and say: I have handled Beretta 92s. One was a piece of crap, and seemed to be about as ergonomic as a railroad tie. Another was a beautifully finished, top-drawer pistol that was comfortable in the hand. The first felt like a double stack and the second felt like a single stack. But, to my point, I was always bothered by the open slide. I'll just never get it in my head that an open slide a good solution to any problem.
Sorry. I'm an old dog. (But I never liked that open slide when I was a young dog either.
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I like mine.
They have a unique 'mechanicalness' that is very pleasant under recoil. It is one of the few pistols I have handled that has that intrinsic sweetness. (the Taurus 92s & 99s have it as well) All the others are a little more abrupt in their kinetics.
Browning High Power is still my all-time top 9mm choice, tho'.
They have a unique 'mechanicalness' that is very pleasant under recoil. It is one of the few pistols I have handled that has that intrinsic sweetness. (the Taurus 92s & 99s have it as well) All the others are a little more abrupt in their kinetics.
Browning High Power is still my all-time top 9mm choice, tho'.
Too big.
The Taurus version with the thumb safety like a 1911 is better because the thumb safety is like a 1911.
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Sadly it's also a Taurus.
I don't know, two friends of mine have had the Taurus versions and fired them thousands of times each, with no issues. No cracked slides either.
I bought a Taurus PT92 a few years ago out of curiosity. I didn't need it as I have several Berettas but I just wanted to see the difference. Some of the parts, like the hammer are MIM but it's a good pistol. I just wish it took M9 mags (& I'm not interested in modifying any pistol mags, I've got Mec-Gars for it).
FYI, Beretta has a rebate going on a number of pistols now, including the M9. I bought one the other day and as I was registering for warranty I saw this:
Sweet! Nothing like buying a new pistol and suddenly realizing you bought it for $75 less than you were planning.
Sweet! Nothing like buying a new pistol and suddenly realizing you bought it for $75 less than you were planning.
The Beretta cracked slides were from a steady diet of miss loaded M882 rounds that were at proof test pressure. The gun was not designed to handle that. The government went off on a premature tangent, bad mouthed the Beretta, cause them reputation loss, and many millions of dollars loss. The ammo issue was discovered and Beretta sued the US Government for defamation and won.
The incorrect story still continues to this day, almost 40 years later.
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Apparantly, the new Gallatin, Tennessee made M9s have a reputation for abysmal fit and finish. They say the quality has gone way way downhill.
Actually that is not true. It's the internet, and like the cracked slides story from the late 80s. Bad information moves at the speed of light, truth moves at the speed of a snail.
The Gallatin plant stories started with Beretta saying it is an EO employer (like every other manufacturer in the country for the past 40 years) that got turned into DEI & woke and any teeny issue became a massive issue.
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"They say", the Internet, and "plant stories" often don't have much in the way of credibility.
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With that said, my example has flawless fit and finish and has been totally dependable.
My Gallatin 92X has slightly better machining than my Italian 92FS. My Accokeek M9 is better than both. All 3 are very well made.
And most people that have multiples of each report similar results as mine in some order.
