Human nature and response to prohibitions

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All those south American countries and else where wouldn't be trying to smuggle drugs into the US if the demand wasn't there. At this point even if you could completely curtail smuggling it wouldn't help for long as domestic demand would result in more drug labs right here in the US. If drugs were 100% legal all the gangs and turf warfare would drop off in short order. Foreign suppliers wouldn't work near as hard to supply them if the value wasn't hyper inflated by prohibition, Cheap drugs would also mean few scams and robberies to support drug habits. Plus, drug treatment centers are cheaper than prisons and more effective. I do not believe that is all drugs were legal there would be any more use than there is now and even less in the future as there is no money in getting people addicted to something there is no profit in.

I know Oregon tried it. First of all they didn't actually legalize them, next the steet value remained the same and because it was only there and it attracted druggies from other states.

Years ago Alaska drop penalties for pot in 1975, but started them back up because to many people from the lower 48 migrated there for that reason alone, because it was the only state at that time where it was legal.
 
Tell me "don't do it" and I will for sure do it.
 
shell627 said:
Don’t take this wrong but sometimes people get really tired of your prejudice against southern states and their residents.
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Well to be fair. He’s probably tired of hearing the prejudice against NE blue states. I’m in the same boat in NY. NYC runs the whole state. But there are millions of conservative god fearing people who respect and honor our constitution.
 
pharmer said:
At this time of year Vermont is about perfect as opposed to local weather; forecast: “High of 97 with 97% humidity for the next 97 days. Random violent ****storms possible 4pm any day……….” Joe.
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And you guys get the nice winters...them snow birds have the best of both worlds.
 
Bald1 said:
Well to be fair. He’s probably tired of hearing the prejudice against NE blue states. I’m in the same boat in NY. NYC runs the whole state. But there are millions of conservative god fearing people who respect and honor our constitution.
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Exactly...101% correct. He must not of read the post I replied to, the one that talked about northern hell holes. Some of guys here have very thin skins...dish it out, cant take it. And I'm from South Carolina; I hold no prejudice against my own history.
 
Jaco1234 said:
I've been thinking about this from a human behavior standpoint.
Every Fourth of July, thousands of illegal mortar fireworks go off across Virginia. They're not legally sold here, yet people still get them. During Prohibition, banning alcohol didn't eliminate demand—it created moonshine and bootlegging.
I'm not saying fireworks, alcohol, and firearms are the same. They're not.
My point is simpler: laws don't automatically eliminate demand. When people strongly want something, many will buy it before a ban, get it elsewhere, or ignore the law if they believe enforcement is unlikely.
It seems that any serious discussion about firearm bans should consider not only what the law says, but also how people actually behave.
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Communism, the Great Devil of our species, is based in part on the fairy tale that behavior can be forced. It's interesting that nobody remembers how that played out.
 
steelslaver said:
All those south American countries and else where wouldn't be trying to smuggle drugs into the US if the demand wasn't there. At this point even if you could completely curtail smuggling it wouldn't help for long as domestic demand would result in more drug labs right here in the US. If drugs were 100% legal all the gangs and turf warfare would drop off in short order. Foreign suppliers wouldn't work near as hard to supply them if the value wasn't hyper inflated by prohibition, Cheap drugs would also mean few scams and robberies to support drug habits. Plus, drug treatment centers are cheaper than prisons and more effective. I do not believe that is all drugs were legal there would be any more use than there is now and even less in the future as there is no money in getting people addicted to something there is no profit in.

I know Oregon tried it. First of all they didn't actually legalize them, next the steet value remained the same and because it was only there and it attracted druggies from other states.

Years ago Alaska drop penalties for pot in 1975, but started them back up because to many people from the lower 48 migrated there for that reason alone, because it was the only state at that time where it was legal.
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You sound like a socialist. "Oregon tried it but....". Oregon 'treatment centers" are not cheaper. In Oregon if you are charged with possession of a Schedule 1 narcotic, you are given a choice of free, state provided (taxpayers in Oregon and the 49 other states because of Federal assistance) or a $100 fine/3-days in jail. Guess which option was most common? $100 to re-offend, require state-funded medical care, police/fire/rescue services, housing, transportation, etc. If we used your position for rape, we could reduce trial costs for sex offenders. Countries who have legalization have and are trying to reverse course, not because of money, because of the damage to their culture.

Your position is why NY, LA, Chicago, Dallas -Ft. Worth, Miami are hell holes. They have received free stuff along with decriminalization and have created zombie-style education and government welfare states. No sir, not for me.
 
shell627 said:
Don’t take this wrong but sometimes people get really tired of your prejudice against southern states and their residents.
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Lived in Atlanta for 65 years and Northerners/yankees are the most rude and uncaring people here. Many places in the South have been harmed by those who move here because they love the slower-paced and hospitable southern region. Then they work hard to tell us how ignorant we are and change our culture to look like the terrible places they ran away from.
 
No they are hell hole because the government made a bunch of cheap drugs worth a lot of money. Just what part of the war on drugs has decreased drug use and addiction. Far and away more addicts, drugs variety of drugs and way easier access than when the "war" started. Plus, the decriminalized of drugs in the areas you mentioned happened AFTER the problem was way out of hand. Not after decriminalion
To late then
 
Bald1 said:
Well to be fair. He’s probably tired of hearing the prejudice against NE blue states. I’m in the same boat in NY. NYC runs the whole state. But there are millions of conservative god fearing people who respect and honor our constitution.
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Illinois is the same . . .
 
MelvinWalker said:
Correct...

Not everyone moving from a northern state where they are subjects, to a southern state where they are free exhibits this behavior.
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In the restaurants and bars here, enough do to earn the sterotype.
 
roundels said:
Communism, the Great Devil of our species, is based in part on the fairy tale that behavior can be forced. It's interesting that nobody remembers how that played out.
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"that behavior can be forced."

Spot-on. The concept that humanity is malleable and through "education" can be re-molded into the New Communist Man. And that, children, is where the Social Sciences originated....
 
Bald1 said:
People moving from ny to fl tend to do so to “escape” ny. Not to create another ny.
Ask me how I know 🤣
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For those of us who have been here for generations, we feel that when folks come from other states to get away from something, they just bring it with them. Miami is a perfect example. The "Florida Man" that you are always reading about, came from somewhere in the Northeast.
 
65-2x2 said:
For those of us who have been here for generations, we feel that when folks come from other states to get away from something, they just bring it with them. Miami is a perfect example. The "Florida Man" that you are always reading about, came from somewhere in the Northeast.
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The North East covers a lot of territory, not just NY city.

Rick
 
'79 Magnum GT said:
The North East covers a lot of territory, not just NY city.

Rick
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Indeed it does.

And for people who have been there, they know that Broward and Dade Counties are really the capital of South America. So it is not only the NE. 1200 people move to Florida every day, us natives have been forced onto reservations. ;)
 
65-2x2 said:
Indeed it does.

And for people who have been there, they know that Broward and Dade Counties are really the capital of South America. So it is not only the NE. 1200 people move to Florida every day, us natives have been forced onto reservations. ;)
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Well it's either that or be absorbed into the general population and have your entire culture replaced with theirs. That's what happens to EVERY conquered people. At least those that I can think of at the moment.

Rick
 
'79 Magnum GT said:
Well it's either that or be absorbed into the general population and have your entire culture replaced with theirs. That's what happens to EVERY conquered people. At least those that I can think of at the moment.

Rick
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There is still refuge for the weary in the N.W. of the state. We get a few people, usually retired, that come an buy cheap land by he acre, build nice houses, then in two years the For Sale signs go up. It wasn't the paradise they were looking for.

Two of my good friends, both now dead, were from the outskirts of NYC. (Glen Cove) They were good guys, and I miss them, but they sure talked funny! ;)
 
65-2x2 said:
There is still refuge for the weary in the N.W. of the state. We get a few people, usually retired, that come an buy cheap land by he acre, build nice houses, then in two years the For Sale signs go up. It wasn't the paradise they were looking for.

Two of my good friends, both now dead, were from the outskirts of NYC. (Glen Cove) They were good guys, and I miss them, but they sure talked funny! ;)
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They sure do talk funny at that end of the state! We in the central/western part of the state speak normally.

Rick
 
65-2x2 said:
For those of us who have been here for generations, we feel that when folks come from other states to get away from something, they just bring it with them. Miami is a perfect example. The "Florida Man" that you are always reading about, came from somewhere in the Northeast.
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Meh, I don’t know. I live in WNY. I have a place in Fl. I have land I’m building on in WVa. I’m the same conservative gun toting fool no matter where I lay my head.
 
Read a book called 'Freedom Hills'. It's about Fed Agents coming into the Smokey Mountains during Probition looking for 'bootleggers'. The Feds are allegedly still looking for some of their agents.
 
I have been looking in the constitution the last few days to see where it addresses needing the permission of the residents of a state to be able to move there and having to first pass a political opinion purity test. I havent found it yet. The knife also cuts both ways, we have plenty of southerners who come here to work.
 
HeyJoe said:
I have been looking in the constitution the last few days to see where it addresses needing the permission of the residents of a state to be able to move there and having to first pass a political opinion purity test. I havent found it yet. The knife also cuts both ways, we have plenty of southerners who come here to work.
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Exactly. Anyone is free to move anywhere and vote how they want. Period.

A frequent talking point here is “they move here and vote”. Yep, that’s how it works.

If you are in a state that is changing demographically, don’t blame transplants. The states they are leaving are staying the same color. Your state is changing because people who are already there are changing.

The solution is to win elections.
 
Im 75 and have lived in Va., N.C., Fl. and Ga. Worked in Il, Oh, Mi and Pa. for years. Met many good gun guys in those Northern states. Had many good friends from N.Y. back in 70s and we shot a lot. Got to know a guy from " up North" thats on this forum and we hit a few gun shows in Ga., super nice guy. IMHO where one meets others has a Lot to do with the friendship thing. Bars and such are not good for me. Church, gun club and VFW are about it for me, everyone is different.
 
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